levels above him haven t spoken to me since june 1st of 2023. even though i m sending them emails and trying to conduct my business on a daily basis. they literally have not spoken to me. you know,. would that be normal. no. absolutely not. i mean, we re running under cover operations. we are doing interviews across the world, and it really becomes when senior leadership really cuts off communication like that, it increases the chance of some officer safety type issue. brian: so what is happening with gary? he says i don t have a book deal. my salary is my government salary. what s going to happen with him? well, we are going to ensure that he stays at the irs. the office of special counsel, which helps to protect whistleblowers. i used to be the number two official at that agency. they are closely investigating. we have confidence that they will help to protect him and, you know, that s why we have whistleblower protection laws in place. brian: let s hope because
both have complaints. did he help coach ziegler to come out? in the beginning ziegler s identity was held back and now he decides to come out and obviously testify. what role did gary have in that. gary didn t have any role. joseph ziegler decided to reveal his identity to the public because he was asked by the committee if he would be willing to testify and he was because he stands by what he said. ainsley: ziegler says i risk my reputation and career and i risk my existing case work but he says i m paying my way to get to d.c. for these hearings. and he said i m doing all of this because i just want to do the right thing. i m sure your client feels the same way. absolutely. steve: tristan, does your client have any regrets? not so far, no. steve: okay, good. brian: what if nothing comes of this? everyone is so tired of these okay, here are the facts, it s horrible. we re just going to ignore it and move on like with fast and furious. what s going to be different
his competition and make him even richer. and that he was raiding customer accounts blowing it on b.s. like that woman who was his number two or girlfriend they were in a pole amorous relationship who am i to judge. she doesn t know what she is doing. she doesn t know what she is investing in. this scam was staring everybody in the face. but the democrats they didn t seem to care, did they? the democrats are the pro-regulation party cozy with his girlfriend s father he wants to regulate everything from the environmental emissions in a company is responsible for to how many minorities they have on their board. he wanted to fine kim kardashian a million bucks for instagram post. multi-billion-dollar weed. jesse: he has never been fined. teacher s pensions were screwed in this and gary didn t do anything jess the teachers
extorting money from a man who d been his friend. mcneice ultimately pleaded guilty to receiving the proceeds of extortion and was sentenced to two years probation. why was any of this relevant in the murder trial of pam phillips? because, says dr. dantonio, his frightening acquaintance, neil mcneice, had a history of bad blood with none other than gary triano. it started, the doctor says, after mcneice and triano agreed to purchase an item together at a charity auction. gary didn t have any money to pay, so neil paid and he was supposed to pay neil 50% later and of course he didn t pay him. and then some years later, around 1991, gary tried to get neil to go into business with a high-flying real estate mogul. and their meetings were held not in a boardroom, but in a series of limousines. they could keep neil captive
that neil mcneice didn t like gary triano and it must have been him. makes for a good story that he s got a friend who does model airplanes and has gizmos that are similar to what is used in a bomb. makes for a good story. it s time to hold pam phillips responsible for her crimes. it is time to find pamela phillips guilty. ladies and gentlemen, you re excused to deliberate. and so the jury retired, and everyone else waited. you feel confident as the jury went out? i ve been doing it long enough to never be confident about anything. after two and a half days of deliberations, the jury had a verdict. and the story that had been the talk of tucson for so many years entered its final chapter. we find the defendant pamela phillips, guilty of pam phillips, guilty of first-degree murder and