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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 07:19:00

narcissist, gold digger, and ultimately ruthless, cold blooded, murder. you are shaking your head. no. how would you describe her? i would describe as a mother of two, who worked hard, who made her life for herself. did no, absolutely not. he was the father of her children. she did want him to be involved in her children s life. it s not crazy the police is they had this contentious relationship, got some serious money out of that insurance settlement. pam later was found to be associated with a guy who police believed was actually responsible for planting the bomb. there is absolutely no physical evidence linking ronald young to that murder, or to that bomb. nothing whatsoever. and yet, he was convicted. exactly. and it is a statement of how

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 07:58:00

stepmother gary s oldest kids had grown to love, a woman who had been their friend. they each made an emotional statement. my father s death was sudden, and violent. his life was taken as the result of greed, hate, and malice. heather spoke about the woman she had once defended. to think i had actually stood up for this woman, and suggested she might have been involved in the murder, i told her to keep her head held high because she had nothing to do with this murder theft. boy was i wrong. and then, pam phillips had the floor. she turned towards the gallery, and spoke out for the first time. i just want everybody to know that i am innocent, i am innocent, i am innocent. okay. and i m truly sorry, so sorry this is a nightmare. this is a nightmare. and, gary was my husband, okay,

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 07:25:00

hear is going to convince you not only that my client is innocent, but that ron young is innocent. the defense insisted there was nothing placing ron young or pam phillips in tucson on the day of the murder. if you are going to do a bombing, you have to come in and to the bombing. they have no evidence whatsoever and says comes attorney alicia there was no proof ron even knew how to build a bomb. there is no evidence he had the ability, no evidence he had the knowledge, nothing in his van or any of the stuff that was found on his computer. it is not like he had a workshop in his garage and tinkered on the weekends, and he had a slight tremor in his hands. he did not have the ability to do this. not at all. and this defense expert analyzed some trace dna found on the bomb parts. my conclusion is that ron young s markers are not

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 07:28:00

those last recorded phone calls between pam and ron, the discussion of payments? i m really happy that the 1.6 was tax free the threats. there s just, plenty of stuff, that, i could literally dig out of the ground. and talk of prison time? when you sit in a woman s prison for murdering when you sit in a woman s prison for murder the defense argued ron was extorting pam with threats of ruining her reputation in aspen. i mean, i m living in fear. well because we d give hem he paper and that d embarrassment to you. i m living in total fear. i think he was trying to threaten her by saying, look, you see all these things that are in the press right now with regard to you being a suspect in this murder, i m going to make sure that it goes to the front pages of the aspen times.

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 06:02:00

spend a little time in tucson, arizona and here, in the shadows of the majestic saguaros you will find a thriving metropolis of 1 million people, with a surprising small town feel. it s the kind of place where everyone seems to know everyone. and if you ask anyone from tucson where they were on november 1st, 1996, they will tell you it was the day of a murder. so dramatic, so horrific they will never forget it. it was the story that everyone talked about. the explosive end of a man who had been larger than life. gary had a presence, he had charisma. and the beginning of a mystery that would span nearly two decades. never, ever felt that it wouldn t be solved. a tucson native, gary triano was a successful real estate developer and entrepreneur and he was known around tucson for his big spending ways.

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