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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 09:18:00

pam phillips pleaded not guilty to murder and charges to commit murder assigned to prosecute the case. she married gary for his money, we believe, she divorced him for the same reason, he was bancroft at the time. you think she also killed in birds money? right. the sense once gets of pam from you guys, it s kind of a human calculator? calculator is an apt description, she was cold and calculated. she used man for her benefit. and, ultimately, she used gary for her benefit. it would take years before prosecutors would actually get to try the case, as they meandered through the legal system, motion after motion. for a time, pam was ruled mentally incompetent to stand trial. she told one doctor somebody had been watching and listening

Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 09:19:00

to her for years, and she believed she had tracking devices placed in her passport, and her head. but why late 2012, the judge said she was fit to proceed. i think that the police got tunnel vision with regard to this investigation. the woman who had lived the good life, now had a court appointed attorney, her name is alicia been described as a narcissist, gold digger, and ultimately ruthless, cold blooded, murder. you are shaking your head. no. how would you describe her? i would describe as a mother of two, who worked hard, who made her life for herself. did pam phillips want garry dead? no, absolutely not. he was the father of her children. she did want him to be involved in her children s life. it s not crazy the police is looking at pam? they had had this contentious

Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 09:30:00

the police is the first phone call i m making. there are many, many people who get extorted, blackmailed, and they basically just want to make the problem go away. and so rather than go to the police, pam continued making payments to ron young. the only thing they had were those tapes, and that was it. those were the words of a person trying to get money from another person. that is it. that is not a criminal conspiracy in the wake of him having hired run to kill gary? that was after the fact. after the murder. not before. they do not have a single thing, a single shred of evidence of conspiracy before the fact. but if pam and ron did not conspire to kill gary triano, did not carried out, well then, who did? you are about to hear one wild story of a man police never checked out. a man who had the means, the motive, and apparently the desire to kill gary triano. coming up he was coked out of his mind, he was about as evil as they come. could he be the real killer? he

Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 08:01:00

my heart breaks. casinos, charisma, connections. he was mr. big. he was very dark flamboyant. extremely charming. his murder was big to. a car explosion at a posh resort, somebody wanted to make a statement. who would want him dead? or who wouldn t? a string of angry investors, even whispers about the mob. everybody went, oh, this is mob connected. so why would police focus on her, a beautiful socialite, ex-wife number two? she was very intoxicating. i think she was cold and calculating. maybe her former husband was worth more dead than alive. it s easy to blame the rich, beautiful woman. she s the person everyone loves to hate. but she is completely innocent. or maybe it was someone else entirely. he is obsessed with gary triano, obsessed with him.

Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 09:48:00

significant then thinking to yourself, well, he s a wonderful guy, i love him, he is the father of my children i have to wonder, if she really truly ever did love, him or if it was just the lifestyle that they had she was in love with. and when pam and harry separated, pam told laura about the problems they were having. she started talking about how easy it would be to hire somebody, that she should just hire a hitman and have him taken out. how easy it would be, because he had such a predictable schedule that he played golf every day. and then, she started talking about their insurance policy, the life insurance policy, and of course you know, at the time, you think it is just somebody who is venting, angry you don t think she is actually plotting the murder of her husband? of course not. you thought this was yeah. and so laura brushed the conversation aside.

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