russia. i have president vladimir putin, he said it is not russia. i will say this. i don t see any reason why it would be. all right, still with us, barbara mcquade and joining us frank figliuzi. frank, he s said to be the one who introduced rudy giuliani to the ukraine officials in the wake of this whole situation. that does not look good or good optics he has stepped down. do we know anything about this? i think we are getting to the point where people with a lot at stake are going to have to tell the truth to the house intelligence committee about what they know about all of these activities and what you
he bad mouthed james comey and got him out of the way to lift his clouds or russia that s been getting interference in the relationship and now for the first time we where heare hearie third troubling development where he s equivalent and drawing between what the united states does overseas and what russia does. kracraig, thank you for your reporting, you and your report. our former u.s. attorney barbara mcquad and jonathan allen, our national reporter and joining us on the phone, former assistant director of the fbi, frank, i am going to start with you. i want to reour viewers of the proximity of that conversation that we are reporting tonight,
be owned by the time the 2020 election is over. ashley parker and robert costa and clint watts and michael schmidt. clint, starting with you, coming off frank figliuzi s comments, if you re putin watching tonight, what happens? you re just laughing, you re just tickled that any american president would allow any foreign power, russia or any of them, to try and influence an election and that the president would not do anything about it. if you did probe, if you are putin and you did probe and go to a campaign, democrats or republicans and you offer dirt, you now started an investigation potentially where the president will go against the investigators. you can actually if you want to go to the division of the fbi right now, you will go and hit the campaign and provoke the investigation and tie up the investigators and end the investigation of them. it is remarkable how this is
usa, usa, usa! pretty extraordinary display there. but even those chants didn t prevent republicans from voting down an amendment to add $380 million in federal election infrastructure funding for 2019. congressman dan kildee was on the house floor and described to me earlier the breaking point for both him and his colleagues. the idea that we would take down our defenses and not provide states and local governments with the tools they need to defend themselves from those sorts of attacks was it was too much for us to take. joining me now, sean henry, former assistant director and msnbc cyber security and national security analyst. i want to get to it here. i m curious about the serious nature of this hacking threat to u.s. election systems. where are these systems vulnerable? well, alex, these systems are somewhat disparate. you ve got state, local and
lawyers? no, it s not. number three, could michael cohen face ethical or bar charges? yes. it s quite possible. but nothing about what he did is illegal in the state of new york. okay. i m going to ask you to be a betting man, if you will, and give me some sort of a percentage on the likelihood that cohen flips on the president at this point, if there is something to flip on, we should say. 50%, 60, 70? what are you thinking? if the president of the united states does not pardon cohen in the next 30 days, michael cohen is going to flip on the president. that s a statement. so you say just with a matter of time, it s 100% certainty, in your mind. if he s not getting a pardon, he s flipping. okay. frank figliuzi. thank you. all right. jay, to you first and your biggest take-away with the release of the carter page fisa documents. it s stunning to see a fisa