more than that. i would think, the main thing, alicia, forgive me this is what historians do, let s go back to two years ago last night, october 19th, 2021 when donald trump was still president, joe biden had yet to come in. remember what that was like. that was 13 days after the insurrection and attack on congress that we now know could ve led to martial law and confiscation of voting machines, violence, assassinations of leaders of congress. that s what we had two years ago. we also had a terrible pandemic with the president who is making governors in the united states begged for help. he was talking on television about injecting bleach has a way of overcoming it. at the same time, a presidential leadership that was erratic and egotistical, autocratic, the president when before the united nations as you might recall once laughed at and also our rule of law was
president biden mocked two years in office today by celebrating his accomplishments and my mark on the crisis that our nation faced at that time. the president will face a new set of challenges. but this time, with the republican-controlled house. with me to discuss, celebrated author and presidential historian michael beschloss. his latest work, in a bookshelf will full of, works is presidents of war. michael, it is always good so good to see. thank you, the same for me, alicia. so much has changed since president biden took office. a short two years. what stands out to you in that period of time? he s gotten a lot a very important laws passed. maybe more important than any president in half a century. at least back to lyndon johnson, maybe even more than that. i would think, the main thing, alicia, forgive me this is what historians do, let s go back to two years ago last night, october 19th, 2021 when donald trump was still president, joe
like this, it is punishing a person for abusing the judicial system to serve their own purposes. and it also serves as a shot across the bow, a deterrent to both this person and everybody else out there who might be considering using the court for this abuse abusive purpose. number one, it clogs in the courts. for that reason, it is an abuse of the system. but it s also sometimes used, as i believe it is in the case of donald trump, to try to give credibility to a claim, to say, look, in this case defamation against hillary clinton, not only am i saying it, i am backing that up with a lawsuit. a lawsuit has been found on this. i think the court here is saying don t use us to carry your water. there was never any basis for a lawsuit here. not only are we dismissing your suit, we re gonna punish you for filing here and abusing the stuff. fascinating stuff. zach montague, your first time
relevant to this conspiracy. but not just what is showing up in these group chats. barb, there s so much we could talk about this specifically but i want to pivot and make sure that i get you in on this other story that we ve been following because of a florida judge finding donald trump and his lawyer nearly 1 million dollars for, quote, using the courts to seek revenge on political adversaries. give me a sense how big of a deal this is. i think it s a very significant matter, but for alicia, because judges are quite reluctant to sanction lawyers. they want to give people the benefit of the debt if they think that they ve got a basis for lawsuit, even if they ultimately fail, the court is the forum for resolving disputes. sanctions first line of the judges opinion of this case are where the effect, of this lawsuit never should have been filed. so when there are sanctions