and the bottom line is the fence doesn t stop anybody who really wants to get across. you go under. you go around. you go through it. how long can he last? i mean he gets a big amen, but that s the opposite of what the president says. boy, i wonder if mick mulvaney will back away from that now. please, mick, don t back away. don t do it. jobs doesn t matter that much. just hours away from the third shutdown in one year. this hasn t happened in decades. it s not even over a critical issue. the wall is not border security. we re not a wall away, okay? the only way you get safer is if both sides work together and make reasonable change to the system, right? because the president can change laws by himself. the supreme court just said that. packed with righties. they still shut him down when he tried to deny people asylum based on how they enter the country. both sides have to make new rules. this shutdown is on the president because he has caused such division, he can t even broker a de
recusal stuff, to recuse or not recuse and he s not recusing himself and with barr we ll see how this plays out. the president wants someone who can change the dynamic of the forward-moving train called the mueller investigation and will barr or whitaker be able to do it? i don t think so. it s gone too far. now because anything they do would be perceived as biased around being done because they re behold on the the president. thank you both very much. next, the house just adjourned for the night. whoa. does that mean it s done here? we re getting a shutdown? we peer going to go back to capitol hill. we re four hours away from a formal shutdown. and mick mulvaney now acting as the chief of staff, favorite of the president. oh, bad timing, mick. here you are talking about a wall. the bottom line is the fence doesn t stop anybody who wants to get across. you go under, you go around, you go through. if you have psoriasis,
everything. build a fence mu. the fence doesn t solve the problem. to say build the fence and that will be the end of immigration discussion is absurd and almost childish for someone running for president to take that simplistic a view. and, by the way, the bottom line is the fence doesn t stop anybody who really wants to get across. you go under, you go around, you go through. you go up and you go down, you go through. this is jeffrey, go ahead. well, people come in on tourist visas, too. a lot of the immigration problem is not people sneaking across the border. it s overstaying visas. you know, if the president wants to that looks like a set design from game of thrones and if he thinks that s going to persuade people that, you know to persuade democrats that, oh, the problem is solved because they have a scary-looking fence instead of a wall, it just underlines how preposterous this is. we don t have our public officials, our elected officials design security barriers. we
someone running for president to take that simplistic a view. and, by the way, the bottom line is the fence doesn t stop anybody who really wants to get across. you go under, you go around, you go through, and that s what the ranchers tell us. they don t need a offense. a fence. so the other thing i think that is interesting about these comments is later on in the interview, he actually says trump s appeal attentis during campaign and mulvaney was a congressman at the time where he says build the wall and things like that, he says these are just basically appeals that go to a motion and don t actually get the job done. all right. andrew kosinski with cnn s k-file team, thank you very much. fascinating stuff. that could have been you, hillary, rosen. my favorite thing is when republicans get caught telling the truth. calling the border wall proposal, border fence proposal, simplistic, absurd, almost childish, doesn t really stop