someone running for president to take that simplistic a view. and, by the way, the bottom line is the fence doesn t stop anybody who really wants to get across. you go under, you go around, you go through, and that s what the ranchers tell us. they don t need a offense. a fence. so the other thing i think that is interesting about these comments is later on in the interview, he actually says trump s appeal attentis during campaign and mulvaney was a congressman at the time where he says build the wall and things like that, he says these are just basically appeals that go to a motion and don t actually get the job done. all right. andrew kosinski with cnn s k-file team, thank you very much. fascinating stuff. that could have been you, hillary, rosen. my favorite thing is when republicans get caught telling the truth. calling the border wall proposal, border fence proposal, simplistic, absurd, almost childish, doesn t really stop