and the bottom line is the fence doesn't stop anybody who really wants to get across. you go under. you go around. you go through it. >> how long can he last? i mean he gets a big amen, but that's the opposite of what the president says. boy, i wonder if mick mulvaney will back away from that now. please, mick, don't back away. don't do it. jobs doesn't matter that much. just hours away from the third shutdown in one year. this hasn't happened in decades. it's not even over a critical issue. the wall is not border security. we're not a wall away, okay? the only way you get safer is if both sides work together and make reasonable change to the system, right? because the president can change laws by himself. the supreme court just said that. packed with righties. they still shut him down when he tried to deny people asylum based on how they enter the country. both sides have to make new rules. this shutdown is on the president because he has caused such division, he can't even broker a deal on a side issue