of appeals will be interested in the overall issue enough to sort of take it up. and then the most important witness and the second and third and fourth in january 6th is all mark meadows, he s been able to stay on the sidelines with some happenstance and now he s really pushed under the executive privilege claim which is a loser. on appeal it will be made quick work. however meadows may at that point invoke the fifth amendment and if he does the doj will have a very hard decision to provide him immunity, he s a very high up player to give immunity but it might be the least bad option. jackie, these are four crimes that is select committee, conspiracy to defraud the united states, obstruction of an official proceeding, conspiracy
relied on the client and so that s that s what we re gonna be finding i should clarify. we were talking about mara lago and the attorney client privilege with, you know, with the documents case, and that s exactly right. so let me ask you about the rejection this week of the executive privilege claim relates to the former trump white house officials mark meadows, scavino cuccinelli the rest. um does that inform or shouldn t inform our expectation of the outcome of the pence executive privilege claim to try to block his subpoena to speak with special range? the grandeur of the special counsel and remember, we re talking about testimony to a grand jury, and a grand jury is a secretive process by design. and so the judge has some safety features to make sure that all this information is not out in the public record anyway. and i think you can tell that the judges no longer in the courts are no longer having this idea that the executive privilege is just a shell that they could hide behind
and i think you ll see this. what were you doing at the time? what was trump doing at the time? what kind of you know what discussions were had? did you get emails? did you get any discussions? these these things i think will be outside of sort of the deliberative process protections that the executive privileges is designed to shield and that is defined scope that is right, sort of sort of a limited set of questions. there will be things i think that the judge may not let them dig into you know, there might be specific discussions that pants claims he had with trump that, you know. in fact, maybe shielded under the executive privilege, and i think his claim that he is actually part of the legislative body. maybe discussions he had with members of the senate should be shielded, but but you cannot hide behind the executive privilege claim to conceal a crime. i mean, you just can t do that. and so the supreme court already addressed this and nixon , you know, back during the watergate ti
in the room. in the room with donald trump, in so many conversations. we knew that from the public hearings we ve heard from witnesses from the january six committee. but what prosecutors typically do, they move up the food chain of evidence, and that food chain is usually the food chain of people who are hired, hire you are in position, the more likely you are to be towards the end of the investigation, not the beginning. and there s nothing surprising about the fact that he was required to do this. because that executive privilege claim was so ridiculous. cynthia, talking about moving up the chain here, you ve got trump s lawyer, ever corcoran, appearing in court today under an order from a judge, and after that judge said he had to answer questions about trump under the crime called exception, help us understand the context here, how it relates to the classified document case?
, uh, it was they were peaceful statements actually peaceful and patriotic statements. our evan perez has more on these latest developments. a federal judge is ordering former trump white house chief of staff mark meadows and a number of other senior aides to the former president to testify before a grand jury in special counsel jack smith investigation. judge barrel how rejected trump s claim that his former chief of staff and other close aides were protected by executive privilege claim that the former president keeps making and he keeps losing. also ordered to provide testimony are former white house aides stephen miller and dan scavino, former national security adviser robert o brien and ken cuccinelli, former homeland security official. some of these witnesses have already provided some testimony, but declined to answer some questions because of the former president s executive privilege claims. trump s lawyers are planning to appeal the judge s ruling. and a trump spokesperson ac