ramifications of the case itself. i'm persuadeable in any direction. 35% what he did in the case was illegal. 31% said unethical but not illegal. did nothing wrong or don't nope. you also have unwillingness to vote on trump if he's consistent. i don't know if i believe people who say they're unwilling if they're convicted because i suspect some of those republicans are going to find a way to be willing. what do you think the over all political effects of the trial are right now? >> the number one effect that we've been talking about. you have donald trump showing people who he is. donald trump is now -- what does it mean as far as the legal jeopardy. i think the only untested question is what happens if donald trump loses his freedom

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