to make, i think the espionage charge are completely wrong and i think they paint an impression that doesn t exist. this is not espionage. so okay, first of all as a factual matter. charges under the espionage act do not necessarily mean you committed espionage. i m not a lawyer and i know that because you can guarantee he knows that very well. he knows that, of course, but i mean, leaking documents to the press, you can be charged depending on how serious the documents are, under the espionage. that s not espionage. he knows better. but let s talk about the hillary clinton case because that was a serious breach of protocol and she was criticized by the fbi director at the time for being i think he used the word reckless, i might be wrong. what is the difference? there s huge differences here. unlike what you ve heard from congressman mccarthy and biggs, our system is not based on we don t play by organized crime rules. you take out one of my guys, i take out one of your gu
third, obstruction of justice. now federal prosecutors can break this out any way they want. it s possible we see multiple counts of some of those. it s possible we see any combination of those that adds up to seven. it could be possible we see other counts. because what you put in your search warrant may not be what you indict on. bigger picture, even without seeing the specifics of this indictment, i think donald trump is in for the fight of his life. this is a man who has been sued, deposed, taken the fifth, impeached twice, tried in the senate, investigated by congress, even indicted by the state authorities here in manhattan. but being indicted by the justice department is different. this is a whole different ball game. doj has way more resources. the conduct here is going to be i think it s safe the say more significant than what he was indicted for in manhattan. and the consequences if he is convicted are going to be much more severe than what he is looking at in manhattan. wh
his life. this is a man who has been sued, deposed, taken to fit, the fifth impeached twice, tried in the senate, investigated by congress. even indicted by the state authorities here in manhattan. but being indicted by the justice department is different. this is a whole different ball game, the doj has way more resources. the conduct here is going to be, i think it s safe to say, more significant than what he was indicted for in manhattan. and the consequences, if he is convicted, are going to be much more severe than what he is looking at in manhattan. what about, there was an espionage charge, as a possibility. yeah that is one of the crimes that was listed, and that relates to mishandling of defense information. not necessarily classified information. i should note, this also, one of the statues that was listed in a church warrant application, destruction and concealment of government documents, says on the face of the law, if a person s can convicted of of of this crime, ques
investigative matters by the department of justice. tomorrow, as president biden at the north carolina, there will be plenty of opportunities for reporters to shut questions about this to him. i suspect that he will ignore all of this. jeremy, thank you. dana? i want to bring back laura coats, carrie cordero and andrew mccabe. i want to discuss some of the specifics of what we believe is in this sealed indictment and go to an interview that kaitlan collins did with jim trusty, one of donald trump s lawyers. and does it say how many charges there are against your client? again, it is not perfectly near an indictment, but as language in it that suggests what the seven charges would be. not 100 percent clear that all of those are separate charges, but they break out from an espionage charge, which is ludicrous, under the facts that the case. i can certainly explain it. and several obstruction based
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