falsification of justice conspiracy and false statement,s. it marks the first time a former president has been charged. with us elie honig, and former prosecutor, jeremy salan. i want to start with you. let s take a listen to what trump attorney jim trustee said about the charges. you basically break out from an espionage charge which is ludicrous under the facts of this case, and i can certainly explain it, and several obstruction based charges and false statement charges which are actually, again, kind of a crazy stretch just from the facts as we know it. there s a lot to pick at eventually from the defense side but that appears to be the charges and it appears to be something that we ll get off the ground on tuesday. based on that, and we have not seen the indictment, nor has he, i should point out, what s your sense of the defense strategy as it s shaping up right now? they have to find something,
argument in this case, he is talking about something else, but he s saying, look at this information. so, dan, he s talking to people and we just heard from paula reid that they do not have the status that would be required to reveal this information. so does that speak some to the espionage charge or what could be an espionage charge? of course. of course it does. it speaks to, again, for every one of these seven crimes they have to prove the government has to prove knowledge, intent and it sort of goes beyond that. are you taking the law into your own hands? i know what the law is, i m going to disregard it only am is highly secret confidential defense department document that apparently is talking about iran, and i m going to talk to who? some reporters, some people who don t have national clearance, security clearance. and he acknowledges that. he acknowledges that. why? because he says i m off the
confirmed that the chief of the justice division questioning budowich and others today before a grand jury. every time that he has shown up in the documents investigation, that typically indicative of espionage questions. for other issues like obstruction, there have been other prosecutors both from you know special counsel jack smith had detailed to his office, as well as people he heard from the outside. i think the involvement of g brad in the grand jury, i think points to the fact that this grand jury mandate on espionage charge. glenn, what do you think, whether he likes it or, not could budowich have given some important information? yes i think budowich assuming he testified in both self-incrimination in the event he had one, you know, it was kind of a win-win for prosecutors. first of, all every statement out of donald trump s mouth is admissible against trial as a statement of a party opponent. so when he tells budowich and
jury. every time that he has shown up in the documents investigation, that typically indicative of espionage questions. for other issues like obstruction, there have been other prosecutors both from you know special counsel jack smith had detailed to his office, as well as people he heard from the outside. i think the involvement of g brad in the grand jury, i think points to the fact that this grand jury mandate on espionage charge. glenn, what do you think, whether he likes it or, not could budowich have given some important information? yes i think budowich assuming he testified in both self-incrimination in the event he had one, you know, it was kind of a win-win for prosecutors. first of, all every statement out of donald trump s mouth is admissible against trial as a statement of a party opponent. so when he tells budowich and
yeah. and, john flannery, i m sure you re familiar with hove, jay-z who said what s better than one billionaire, two, referring to his partner, the great beyonce, currently on tour, a billionaire, self-made person. i wonder whether we can extend that to jack smith what s better than one grand jury? two. you go to dinner parties, lawyers love to sound smart. nobody saw this coming. some people on the outside said, what s he up to? is he moving slowly? turns out he had this thing impanelled. i longer than was publicly known, which shows he has a theory of the case. only he knows why he s in florida. but as you alluded to, if an espionage charge were to come for conduct in florida, you might need to bring it there.