by the time 9/11 came around i was 31 years old, i thought, goodness do i agree with what these young men? no i did not. then that means i m distancing myself from the koran and from the prophet muhammad. but if i do that i ll go along with my conscience. so i had this conflict between my own conscience and what i was being told by my god in the koran and by my prophet. i decided to go along with my conscience. we re going to have much more with ayaan hirsi ali in a moment. stand by. still ahead we ll speak with a muslim woman who once sat and watched decapitation videos to better understand these terrorists. we ll get here take on how political correctness and the media may both be helping the spread of radical islam. up next you ll meet the man who calls himself an american muslim patriot and learn why he is worried the extremist may be winning against free speech and other american values. the muslim community is being told by the president of the united states our leaders a
gender apartheid is one manifestation of that. islamist anti-semitism is another very threatening. and making anything other including myself or other members who are participating in this important piece, because we are nonislamists we are also this is absolutely anathema to what i understand to be islam. even in doing this special people will say the whole thing, even discussing this is somehow islamophobic. it s like you cannot discuss the islamist faction of islam without being accused of islamophobia. you re absolutely right, megyn, and you ve led the decision on discussion on the kelly file. we spoke about the documentary i participated with ayaan and i have been accused not just in media but also in person at rutgers university of being an islamophobe for raising this.
social policy and understanding. and also back with us now is ayaan hirsi ali. let me start with you. what is it about ayaan s call for a repformation with which you disagree it. two things. the first is she has no traction in the muslim community. if we re interested in tackling radical islam, we should be she doesn t have an audience, doesn t have traction. if you re talking about a reform trying to stop a real problem in the modern day it should be a problem people are willing to listen to. second more seriously, her whole idea is she says islam needs a reformation to stop extremism but islam already had a reformation and it s the reason we have extremism. her solution to the problem is actually the cause of the problem. if we want to keep america safe and be safer ourself we would two betdo better to look elsewhere. what is your solution to this problem? well there s no single solution. these are different societies and different places. one of the solutions is to create de
welcome back to our kelly file special defying the sword. tonight we re speaking with several muslims and former muslims who have taken a risky public stand to point to the threat of radical islam, including our next guest. zuz his parents left syria in the 1960s fleeing a repressive regime. he was born in wisconsin, devout muslim brought up in a mosque built by his own family. that small town mosque immersed in the glow of a newfound freedom taught me the love of country, love of liberty, and love of faith. he first experienced a very different kind of islam than the one he was taught by his parents. zudi says very early on her recognized that political islam was eating away at his religion. zudi ended up joining the u.s. navy earning his medical degree on a military scholarship
despite the danger that has obviously been posed to your own life? it is worth to me because i love life more than i love death. they love death. that message is so much stronger than anything they put out there. in 2005 time magazine named ali one of the world s 100 most influential people. in 2006, readers digest named her european of the year. he s she s she has also written several books, has regular and often controversial speaking engagements and founded an organization for women s rights. ali now claims to have a better understanding of rad cam islam. you actually do understand this ideology. i understand it and they make very clear what it is that motivates them. joining me now, the founder of the ali foundation and author of the new book heretic.