social policy and understanding. and also back with us now is ayaan hirsi ali. let me start with you. what is it about ayaan s call for a repformation with which you disagree it. two things. the first is she has no traction in the muslim community. if we re interested in tackling radical islam, we should be she doesn t have an audience, doesn t have traction. if you re talking about a reform trying to stop a real problem in the modern day it should be a problem people are willing to listen to. second more seriously, her whole idea is she says islam needs a reformation to stop extremism but islam already had a reformation and it s the reason we have extremism. her solution to the problem is actually the cause of the problem. if we want to keep america safe and be safer ourself we would two betdo better to look elsewhere. what is your solution to this problem? well there s no single solution. these are different societies and different places. one of the solutions is to create de
welcome back now to our kelly file special defying the sword. tonight we re looking at the issue of radical islam and how best to deal with it. in her new book heretic ayaan hirsi ali says islam needs a gut renovation. not everyone agrees. a fellow at the institute for social policy and understanding. and also back with us now is ayaan hirsi ali. let me start with you. what is it about ayaan s call for a repformation with which you disagree it. two things. the first is she has no traction in the muslim community. if we re interested in tackling radical islam, we should be she doesn t have an audience, doesn t have traction. if you re talking about a reform trying to stop a real problem in the modern day it should be a problem people are willing to listen to. second more seriously, her