and what is the call wait now for a taxpayer who has a problem? what is the average amount of time they have to wait on the phone because you don t have enough personnel to answer the phones? at this point when you get through, if you get through, on average it would have taken you 28 to 30 minutes. reporter: he explains that enforcing obamacare requires a lot of manpower but many lawmakers think the irs has plenty of money and its problem is really bad management. the irs commissioner simply wants more money to run a larger bureaucracy. reporter: others on capitol hill are outraged that irs would threaten refund delays and a shutdown of operations as ransom until they get more money, especially since they spent generously on things that don t exactly improve the customer service at the internal revenue service. for example, $4.3 million on
toothpaste out of the toothpaste tube it s really hard to get back in there isn t it? kind of messy. i do have other news headlines new jersey mall. during the shooting last week. you are watching now shows people running away and the accused gunman richard shoup walking around very calmly. the body language was not of somebody who was in a tactical position looking to take out target or looking to defend themselves it was basically of somebody who had a different state of mind. police say shoup fired off 16 rounds. nobody was hit. shot himself before confrontation with officers. be in charge with enforcing obamacare. can they be trusted with your personal information. the irs exposes a man s social security number, wages and tax information when a fax was mistakenly sent to a california small
martha: the administration that i can remember we haven t seen ultimately happens, that they do eventually want things to get done but i do want to get back to sarah hall ingram for a moment. yeah. martha: the suggestion from what i read on this the issue they were discussing between the irs and the white house had to do with groups pushing for religious liberties, for companies perhaps like hobby lobby who wanted to be exempt from obamacare because they didn t believe in covering birth control. if that is the case, if you have this individual sending information about that company or individuals related to that company to the white house to discuss whether or not they should be able to get these exemptions, is this woman, are there charges that would be considered against her? as you said that is a federal offense, is it not? yeah. these people run significant risk, there is no question about it. lying to congress as well can carry five years in prison. you see how careful she was
but when he asked for help, no one listens. martha: back to this story now for a moment. house republicans now accusing the top irs official enforcing obamacare penalties of breaking the law, that she may have broken the law herself. house oversight committee members claim that sarah hall ingram giving private tax information. jim jordan pushing mrs. hall to explain several 2012 emails. watch this. just look at that email real closely. see where all the black print, where it is all blacked out? there is number written on each of the plaqued out areas. can the number written there? can you say for the number there. for the release of the documents 6103. 6103. so someone at the irs decided this was confidential taxpayer information. when we got these document, when the committee got the documents,
secretary of defense hagel to step down. should he? anthony weiner geting a heated debate with sean hannity. do not miss this. the exchange you want to miss. you want to talk about obamacare. i want to talk about that. i will be glad to talk about it. seems sometimes you need explaining on things. i m here to do it for you brother ? female announcer: save up to 35%