martha: the administration that i can remember we haven't seen ultimately happens, that they do eventually want things to get done but i do want to get back to sarah hall ingram for a moment. >> yeah. martha: the suggestion from what i read on this the issue they were discussing between the irs and the white house had to do with groups pushing for religious liberties, for companies perhaps like hobby lobby who wanted to be exempt from obamacare because they didn't believe in covering birth control. if that is the case, if you have this individual sending information about that company or individuals related to that company to the white house to discuss whether or not they should be able to get these exemptions, is this woman, are there charges that would be considered against her? as you said that is a federal offense, is it not? >> yeah. these people run significant risk, there is no question about it. lying to congress as well can carry five years in prison. you see how careful she was in discussing with them. when officials come up and testify before congress and saying their memory has failed