listen, she was butina was in a romantic relationship with paul ericsson. do you think he was just a dupe? i think he was. i mean, this is very typical. this falls in line with what i was saying earlier about the fail fast and fail cheap, is that the russian way of doing this is really kind of it s very similar to the business kind of emergent strategies approach. you throw a bunch of stuff against a wall, you see what sticks, and you focus on that. apparently she was having some traction with this gentleman with the nra, or what have you, and so they started to funneling, you know, resrgss to her to exploit that. what i want to know is, like, what else happened out there? what else is still out there that we don t know about? interesting. listen, authorities have been on butina for years. who else could be wrapped up in this? do you think that there is a lot that we don t know, jeffrey? i mean, i assume that there is. i know individuals that were targeted by her, and that
why? that s a big question. listen, i ve got to get to the next block here. that s why we go back to the question i got to take a break. of why people in washington are asking is he a dupe? yes. and frank bruni has been hearing the same thing from current and former intelligence officials that they are starting to wonder whether he is compromised. let s talk about that on the other side of the break. sure. we ll be right back. a hilton getaway means you get more because. you get another day in paradise. get a sunset on a sunday. get more stories to share. get more from your summer getaway with exclusive hilton offers. book yours, only at hilton.com it s so hard to believe but it s all coming back me. baby, baby, baby. all you can eat is back, baby. applebee s. my gums are irritated. i don t have to worry about that, do i? actually, you do. harmful bacteria
immutable borders agreed on would never be moved after world war ii, vladimir putin moved them in crimea and georgia and this president continues to be cozy with this maybe he leader who was a thug, who was a murderer. maybe he doesn t understand the why? how significant that is. why? that s a big question. listen, i ve got to get to the next block here. that s why we go back to the question i go tt to take a break. of why people in washington are asking is he a dupe? yes. and frank bruni has been hearing the same thing from current and former intelligence officials that they are starting to wonder whether he is compromised. let s talk about that on the other side of the break. sure. we ll be right back.
underneath the simple charge may lie all kind of dirty money being funneled to the nra and some sort of back and forth to fill tate the political influence. butina was in a romantic relationship with paul erickson. do you think he was just a dupe? oh, i think he was. this was very typical, this falls in line with what i was saying earlier about the fail fast and fail cheap. the russian way of doing this is similar to the business emerging strategy. you throw a bunch of stuff against the wall, see what sticks and focus on this. apparently she was having come transaction with this gentleman of the nr ark. what i want to know is what is still out there that we don t know about. interesting. authorities having on butina for years.
second meeting, is the president using his office to build a relationship with putin, a relationship that maybe we are all in the dark about? well, we are there the dark, as we heard from dan coats. and i have no better answer than dan coats has had as to what is going on because we don t know. but what we do know is that this is an extraordinary moment in which very serious people in washington, on capitol hill, both parties, are questioning whether or not the president of the united states is a dupe of the president of russia. this is a moment for real sober consideration of the situation that we re in because the people who know the president best, many of them are saying, including in the intelligence community around dan coats, that this president of the united states cannot be entrusted with the national security of our own country. so what the president is doing