getting some of our biggest clues yet about the directions special counsel jack smith is taking the politically fraught and complex and unprecedented investigations of an ex president by the justice department. there are major developments in both the january 6 investigation and the probe into the classified documents. we ll get to that in a minute. but we begin with what we know about the sprawling criminal probe into the capitol insurrection and the coup plotted by the ex president and his allies and including those in the administration and in congress. as the new york times reports, jack smith steps us the pace, sorting through a mountain of evidence from the january 6 committee and looking to interview witnesses that did not speak to the congressional panel. from that times report, quote, did former president trump consume detailed information about foreign countries wild in office? how extensively did he seek information about whether voting machines had been tampered
and establishing without a shadow of a doubt what that intent was, if he took his actions knowing that he had, in fact, lost the election and was pursuing a strategy of attempting to overturn what he knew and had a reasonable evidence to assume was an established result, then that opens up an entirely different set of charges and gives backing and res onnence to charges such as obstructing a obstructing a government process. and there is actually a fair amount of overlap with regard to the documents investigation as well. where the critical question is to establish intent, we seem to have one witness, if the public reporting bears this out, one witness down in florida who seems to understood that the president was moving this material around with some level of foreknowledge. the question in both cases, the january 6 leg of the investigation and the documents
special counsel. who was going to investigate trump? it doesn t make any sense to me barbara mcquade. and i m with claire. i do believe there is a growing body of unanswered questions. and there are some democrats on the politicization committee, i would want to know the answer to some of the back room sort of mashing or gnashing around. why the delay? well, i certainly don t know the facts about what could have contributed to the delay. but with regard to the special counsel and that only solves a conflict of interest problem, that doesn t add speed to it. it is not like nobody investigated until jack smith came along as wyndham was leaving that investigation more than a year before. jack smith came in because of the perceived conflict when donald trump announced he was a candidate for office. some people worried that jack smith might slow things down because you re starting over but it seemed like he s moving forward quickly so that is not a problem. i don t know, i could only
in the chain. but there is every bit of evidence that they are doing that right now. so keep in mind, you have to deal with nearly a thousand perpetrators, people who have been charged who are on the ground. but one, you have to take care of those people and, two, the nature of an investigation is you want to build from the bottom up. when you get to the level of someone like mark meadows or trump certainly, you need almost always someone on the inside who will tell you what those conversations were and what the state of mind was and people aren t going to do that voluntarily. the way you goodet them to tell you that is by confronting them with their own criminal charges. trying to get them to flip. when you can t get them to flip with people below them, so there is a natural flow to go from the bottom up. now, as an investigator, i would have been frustrated with congress for asking for the transcripts and needing to wait months and months to see what is in there. keep in mind, that m
kept remained in his mar-a-lago bedroom. it is a bizarre excuse that prong or track of the doj special council investigation based on glenn s reporting appears to be moving ahead i don t know if we call it quickly, but definitely moving ahead. plus a judge this week could make public part of the report s the ex president s attempt to steal the 11,000 through votes he demanded on the phone. there is concern that some witnesses may very well have lied under oath to the grand jury. this is a first time today that we re learning this. there were a lot of witnesses so we don t know who it was but we ll talk about that coming up in the show. also later, three unidentified objects shot down in as many days but what officials could tell us about them at this hour. all of those stories and more when deadline: white house continues after a quick break. don t go anywhere. where.