separate occasions. i said you need to apologize to john mccain. there was silence. had a similar call after the megyn kelly episode and a similar call after his incide introductory statements. he said i just don t do that. why doesn t he do that? well, it s a tile and as the book is called fear and the belief he articulated to bob costa and myself is that real power is fear and that you scare people and, of course, if you apologize or backtrack, that doesn t scare people. i also perhaps think it s a habit. he just won t do it. it s been something that he falls back on.
the thing that is tricky here is in the midst of these, you have to keep running the administration and you have to figure out what you know. you to do the internal work to find out what might bob mueller know, what do you need to be prepared for. donald trump and the people he has assembled around him are not really capable of doing that in a calm, systemic way that doesn t scare people, that doesn t scare the staff, that actually gets honest answers out of people. and that s going to be a real problem. they re not going to be capable of doing the preparatory work to be ahead of this that they need to do to not end up in a completely reactive state at all times. barbara, we saw the release documents today basically for paul manafort and his associate gates. manafort is facing 15 years, 8 months in prison. gates is facing 12 years, 7 months in prison. and the prosecutor s mentioned that, mentioned the heaviness of the potential prison sentence as
you to do the internal work to find out what might bob mueller know, what do you need to be prepared for. donald trump and the people he has assembled around him are not really capable of doing that in a calm, systemic way that doesn t scare people, that doesn t scare the staff, that actually gets honest answers out of people. and that s going to be a real problem. they re not going to be capable of doing the preparatory work to be ahead of this that they need to do to not end up in a completely reactive state at all times. barbara, we saw the release documents today basically for paul manafort and his associate gates. manafort is facing 15 years, 8 months in prison. gates is facing 12 years, 7 months in prison. and the prosecutor s mentioned that, mentioned the heaviness of the potential prison sentence as one of the reasons contributing to several other reasons why these guys might be flight
speaks about a so-called judge, you don t think that s demeaning and threatening and scary in terms of the independence of our jewish douchely? judiciary? that s never happened before. i m telling you, where s the source? he goes after the judiciary. if that doesn t scare people, i mean, he goes after the acting attorney general. he goes after a judge in the trump university case and suggests that he s incompetent because he has mexican heritage. okay, that s during the election. people are still mad about that. i get that. now the president of the united states, these things will go through the legal channels. debate the substance of these issues, the substantive debate, i think, are lacking. we re talking about ivanka s shoe line that s not the resistors, that was kellyanne coming on fox and saying go buy ivanka s that s not right. [inaudible conversations] desire to debate the substance of the issue. oh, really?
speaks about a so-called judge, you don t think that s demeaning and threatening and scary in terms of the independence of our jewish douchely? judiciary? that s never happened before. i m telling you, where s the source? he goes after the judiciary. if that doesn t scare people, i mean, he goes after the acting attorney general. he goes after a judge in the trump university case and suggests that he s incompetent because he has mexican heritage. okay, that s during the election. people are still mad about that. i get that. now the president of the united states, these things will go through the legal channels. debate the substance of these issues, the substantive debate, i think, are lacking. we re talking about ivanka s shoe line that s not the resistors, that was kellyanne coming on fox and saying go buy ivanka s that s not right. [inaudible conversations] desire to debate the substance of the issue. oh, really?