and it s a laughing stock. reporter: now, in the press briefing just now, sarah sanders still insisted the president is not politicizing this tragedy. saying there is a difference between playing politics and discussing policy. this in spite of the fact that the president took to twitter to call out chuck schumer as well as democrats more broadly in the wake of this attack in new york, jake. all right. sara murrayy, thanks so much. lots to discuss with my terror panel. phil mudd, juliette kayyem, the former assistant secretary in the department of homeland security and retired congressman mike rogers. phil, let me start with you. does the diversity visa lottery do any good? is it worth considering the u.s. getting rid of it? look, this is a very for politicians and for americans thinking about american culture as an immigrant society. as a counterterrorism professional, i don t think people in my industry would view people coming into that program as a particular threat. if you l
terrorists overtones to say i am the leader of all of you, and if you want to establish an islamic state, come join me and if you can t join me act on your own, and he is trying to brand himself as not only the successor to bin laden, but the leader of the islamic world. remarkable. it is remarkable. how well is it working? well in some ways it s working well short term because not only does isis have a uniqueness of owning geography, and they conduct attacks and now own territory, and secondly the recruitment in europe and united states is unique in my experience as a counterterrorism professional. in the past you had secret groups operating in small cells that did not have the internet capability that could reach out
to do everything it can to make sure that these kids don t fall into the isis trap. when you look at the pilot program launched by the white house in these states minnesota among them recently do you think something like that is going to be effective? these pilot programs to really try to get to the root of this disenfranchisement? or is it frankly hiring a ton more people to scour through social media to find warning signs. you re asking a government guy about hiring a ton more people. let me give you a serious answer. i think it can be effective, but there are so many people getting involved in this pipeline. the numbers we re looking at are foreign to a counterterrorism professional. we never saw hundreds of people when i was at the bureau at the fbi and at the cia. the numbers are just astounding. however, what i saw in a lot of these cases, particularly at the younger end when you re getting 15 16 19 20 years old is people who have an emotional interest in isis but no real ideol
thanks to you for joining us. the guy actually makes his way to turkey and is only arrested after trying to cross the border into syria. the first one is he s a clean skin in business. he s got a document they can get him back to the united states. the more significant issue, wolf is the digital footprint he s leaving. by that he had to buy a ticket to go to turkey and he s online looking at websites that would show him entry into a place like syria. if you re like me a counterterrorism professional you may look at the physical footprint you would look at in the 20th century. you re allowed to travel to turkey and allowed to look at bin laden and travel sites in syria. you have to change the law because right now you can t look at that stuff without cause. mike rogers you were chairman of the house intelligence committee for a long time. apparently this guy was known
weapons, would, i think, pretty clearly indicate greater sophistication. but i think as you just suggested in your piece, we have to be so careful about drawing conclusions too early on. so frankly, fewer bombs means probably less sophistication. but that doesn t tell me as a counterterrorism professional whether this is domestic terrorism like timothy mcveigh, whether or not it s a unabomber or whether or not it s islamic international terrorism. governor patrick, governor deval patrick here is taking care to describe the location of the bombing. the boylston street area. that whole area around the finish line of the marathon as an active crime scene. in a technical sense, does that mean that it s still a place in which they are collecting evidence and so essentially has to be sealed from any outside contamination? they ll do their best. i mean, i think a large area there is sealed, and certainly the area around the street and the route is going to be very,