to do everything it can to make sure that these kids don t fall into the isis trap. when you look at the pilot program launched by the white house in these states minnesota among them recently do you think something like that is going to be effective? these pilot programs to really try to get to the root of this disenfranchisement? or is it frankly hiring a ton more people to scour through social media to find warning signs. you re asking a government guy about hiring a ton more people. let me give you a serious answer. i think it can be effective, but there are so many people getting involved in this pipeline. the numbers we re looking at are foreign to a counterterrorism professional. we never saw hundreds of people when i was at the bureau at the fbi and at the cia. the numbers are just astounding. however, what i saw in a lot of these cases, particularly at the younger end when you re getting 15 16 19 20 years old is people who have an emotional interest in isis but no real ideol
involvement in the fight. let s bring in time editor at large carl vick. glad to have you here. why does time cause this the isis trap? there s a couple of answers to that. one, in the cover story, it s pointed out the real trap is if you start something, you don t know how it s going to end. we saw it with the iraq war. any time you have a major military operation, you say you want to remove somebody that s as far as the popular thinking the popular impulse is. and to sort of think through the end game for the extraction of troops but also what the end state is. we spent more than a decade in iraq and left the situation such that we re back. the other piece of the trap the other way to see it is that is the question of whether you send in u.s. troops at all in large numbers. and that has to do is has to do with isis the philosophy isis is preaching and their
it s fast in the break room. fast in the conference room. fast in tom s office. fast in other tom s office. fast in the foyer [pronounced foy-yer] or is it foyer [pronounced foy-yay]? fast in the hallway. i feel like i ve been here before. switch now and get the fastest wifi everywhere. comcast business. built for business. let s bring in time magazine editor nancy gibbs. magazine magazine s new magazine is great. the isis trap. after reading this do i have a better idea how this ends? well, that s the question we have to be asking everyone whether they re arcing we should go in or stay out. we ve played this before. we go in. we win militarily, and then we leave. as you have said we re not occupiers. what happens? and so as you watch the middle