Wanted to have them all in this same meeting in the same room here to discuss all this with the president. But still, even though the vote is scheduled for this evening, expected this evening, other republicans im talking to here and on capitol hill say they would nobt at all surprised if it was set aside or pushed back. That happens, thats a sign there is a big problem. John . Thats an understatement to say the least. Jeff zeleny at the white house. Lets bring it into the room. House Speaker Paul Ryan was supposed to speak to reporters this morning. Hes delayed that until this afternoon. Horse trading behind closed doors, wheeling and dealing, the very thing republicans criticize the democrats for doing when they passed obamacare but well put that aside for a second. What does this tell you that the president is meeting and gets a standing ovation from members of the House Freedom caucus who at the moment you can make the case are undermining the president on priority number one becau
again go on with this, where does that lead you as an investigator? on the counterintelligence side one of the thing you re always concerned about are access and and influence racial and that may be being used by a foreign power. so it doesn t matter in essence, you know, the counterintelligence investigators are not going to be so focused on what state department s reaction was to giuliani s activity. they are simply looking at what he did and who he was acting on behalf of. the fact that efficiency in there lobbying for, in the case of the turks it appears to be on several different fro which as you understand it, he explains by saying my for business ventures to the u.s. government, i m just helping them in foreign
going on with ukraine. yep, we didn t like it. we wanted to push giuliani back. yep, we didn t understand why the president was doing this. where does that lead you as an investigator? on the counterintelligence side, one of the things you re worried about, is access and influence operations. so, it doesn t matter in essence, you know, the counterintelligence investigators are not going to be focused on what state department s reaction was to giuliani s activity. they are simply looking at what he did and who he was acting on behalf of. the fact that he was in there lobbying for in the case of the turks, it appears to be on several different fronts. we also know that he was doing a lot of work in ukraine, which, as i understand it, he explains by saying my foreign business ventures, i m not representing the foreign governments to the u.s. government.
pump foreign money into republican campaigns and superpacs. but this investigation is apparently not just about campaign finance. mccallion said he was asked a lot of questions by fbi and other counterintelligence investigators who were looking at rudy giuliani s comings and goings in ukraine and business dealings. that first report was in usa today, confirmed and added to by cnn. federal investigation of rudy giuliani includes counterintelligence probe. lawyer kenneth mccallion telling cnn, i was just asked if i or any of my clients knew of any dealings that these two guys had with giuliani. they were on the radar with regard to possible counterintelligence issues. any view inside the reported investigation of the president s lawyer is obviously going to be fascinating at this point. but when the view seems to indicate not just a criminal investigation, but a counterintelligence one, i want to know more about that. joining us now is the attorney, the fbi counterintelligence
that rudy giuliani said he doesn t need a lawyer any more. and i don t necessarily know that is correct for him over the long-term. what we re learning today is that it is very clear that investigators were looking into how rudy giuliani could potentially be playing into this entire scheme and as evan said whether it was wittingly or unwittingly and why he was in business with these two guys to begin with. when you talk to people, they say they were shady characters and rudy giuliani should have known better. and kim, how serious is that their counterintelligence investigators. there is criminal investigators on the one side and fbi and then counterintelligence and the idea is to rule out espionage and ruling out behalf of the ukrainian government, that is not consistent with what is best for american people. and to the extent to which president trump was part of that, that is scary stuff. i think it is important to keep in mind in light of the