and not wanting a job with the white house, and we took him on on that. we took him on on his foreign contracts issues, i mean, we really went after him. neil: you did and i don t mean to blur those lines sir i guess what i caught is when someone says something over-the-top about someone, this is who i like or care for, a friend or a relative, and i don t defend that friend or relative on some outlappeddish comments the racist thing, that he s a crooked businessman thing and all this other stuff, i just wondered why that is. well from the racist standpoint we talk about that. that conversation did come up even congressman accused mark meadows of being a racist and there was a lot of pushback on that but it s very interesting, aoc and the democrats are out there being critical of the president as a racist being critical of us we are anti- diversity and yet if you don t think exactly like she does she s going to put you on a list that hipocracy is mind
many more candidates echoing that theme including many who weren t even born when he was first echoing it. what do you think? bernie sanders started this whole thing. aoc is a more of a vibrant, you mentioned while ago the parallels of trump. the world could change in a year, we could be in a recession, not matter of our own fault and ideas could take hold aoc could shift the average in the democratic party left, it doesn t mean they couldn t take hold in a certain environment that could happen next year, you know, there s a lot of people running and bernie and she used to work to bernie sanders in his election, i don t see neil: right, i forgot that. the ideas build and build and all of a sudden a few years
same time and cost a lot of jobs yeah, we tend to give aoc too much credit but here we certainly shouldn t. if you look at the short history of this deal you had local officials actually writing to amazon saying please come here, we want your job. a few months later those same people were saying that amazon is an immoral company. the only thing between point a and point b, was point c, cortez. she came out, she came out against it and she made those politicians scared. she s making list in washington amongst her freshman house colleagues she s making list here in new york amongst people who previously thought themselves to be progressives. neil: well i don t know the story or the timeline for the council men and women, there were three, who were not keen on this, and then amazon said oh, the hell with it but i do notice that common in their argument early on because i talked to one of the council men opposed was that these were not union jobs so when i asked him at the time, so you w
saying that approach of keeping a list of democrats who vote with republicans that s not good for the party, not good for governing so there is this sort of battle for the party still going on. there is but it s much like with the republicans went through in 2015 what kind of party are we going to be and when you ve got this many different candidates that are running it, that s exactly what it is. it is a battle for who they are and who they want to be and is it going to be the party of the far left? i m not sure. is it going to be the party of the past? we ll see if joe biden will resonate and i think there is. neil: do you think she s getting cortez is getting a little ahead of our skiis making threats like that? i don t think she is not because i like what she s doing necessarily but this is who she is and why she s getting so much attention and because look she is setting the agenda that we re all talking about. neil: you re absolutely right. but let me ask you about that, beca
a relic of an era and to some degree he is. we are far removed from where we were as a country politically, than we were say in the 2000 and 2010. i think biden is going to come in, at some point soon, be the elephant in the room just as bernie sanders is now, but as you said before, you look back historically and the people that were at the top of the polls at this point have historically not gone on to do well when it comes to winning. neil: you re right. you look at obama and jimmy carter. neil: absolutely you know lee what is interesting to me and we sometimes overstress this but it s fairly palpable to me because one of the fortunate things about my job is i get to talk to everybody you guys and i get a different read from different folks but within the democratic party, there is this really obsessive push to the hard left, but let s say by congresswoman cortez and then you have a house leader like dan kildee just a couple minutes ago