a relic of an era and to some degree he is. we are far removed from where we were as a country politically, than we were say in the 2000 and 2010. i think biden is going to come in, at some point soon, be the elephant in the room just as bernie sanders is now, but as you said before, you look back historically and the people that were at the top of the polls at this point have historically not gone on to do well when it comes to winning. neil: you're right. you look at obama and jimmy carter. neil: absolutely you know lee what is interesting to me and we sometimes overstress this but it's fairly palpable to me because one of the fortunate things about my job is i get to talk to everybody you guys and i get a different read from different folks but within the democratic party, there is this really obsessive push to the hard left, but let's say by congresswoman cortez and then you have a house leader like dan kildee just a couple minutes ago