people make that government work for them. each day is a very long time. they don t want us to wait until 2020 to figure out and solve some of the problems they are experiencing, they want that to happen now and people are in a position of leadership if they are really leaders i think have to be focused on what we need to do right now. if you re hoping to win the democratic nomination for president there are a few things you have to do, write an autobiographical book, appear on the sunday shows to get your name id out there and maybe zero in on a signature issue or two. and seek an audience with the reverend al sharpton. while 2020 may seem like a long way off prospective democratic nominees are already getting the sharpton primary in gear. several likely prospects have been spotted at the national action network convention this week in new york city. reverend al sat down with former vice president joe biden. if donald trump gets by the mueller investigation joe biden
on himself. paul. first of all, whoever ends up impeaching trump, that s their opening statement. ultimately if there s a criminal case, that s the opening statement. that s obstruction of justice. now, again, i ve always said, unless there s evidence of collusion, that is conspiracy to defraud the united states, i don t think mueller brings the case of obstruction, but joy you just laid out the compelling evidence that s corroborated. i have to say i think collusion is coming. when comey had that conversation with priebus, comey told priebus that the allegations in the dossier had been substantiated. the dossier is about collusion. we love having you guys on to debate. this is our favorite debate. nick ackerman, seema iyer. and coming up. trump s got himself a new lawyer. what difference at this point does it make? what difference does it make?
barbara res, paul butler and jill winebanks are back with me. trump is saying somebody is a drugged out loser. roger stone says in the new york times trump goes out of his way to treat michael cohen like garbage, a quote from there. for years trump treated mr. cohen poorly with gratuitous insults, dismissive statements and at least twice threats of being fired according to interviews with a half dozen people familiar with their relationship. does that sound like the way donald trump treated people in his organization? absolutely. his own employees. but not all of them, not all of us, i should say. but if he sensed a weakness, he would just hone in on it and he would jump on you. and if you took it, that was, to him, the license to do whatever he wanted. he was really insulting, terribly in front of other people and mean, and he did threaten to fire people, he
might have to resign if rosenstein were to be fired. what do you make of that? i think jeff sessions does not want to quit, but i think it s reasonable because every friday night this is so maybe not a saturday night massacre, but definitely a friday night massacre. this is what happens every friday night. but at this point i think it s too early to tell. but listen, i think the important thing here is the mueller investigation is still not at obstruction of justice or occlusion. this democratic committee filing a lawsuit seems like it s being rushed number one, and number two, i m not a political expert, you know that, but the democrats, shouldn t they be spending the money on the midterm elections instead of this frivolous lawsuit? trump is no fan of sessions anyway, wouldn t trump say, okay, i ll fire rosenstein, make my day, sessions, resign. i know you re still sticking to your no collusion. let me tell you one thing,
under oath where people are forced to answer questions about what transpired and of course we have a pending motion to take a deposition of michael cohen and a deposition of the president of the united states and i think the more facts we learn and with each passing day the likelihood of that motion being granted goes up. i think that the concern, joy, is on the other side is that if i get an opportunity to cross-examine michael cohen and mr. trump about what transpired with this agreement, with the $130,000 payment, what the president knew and when he knew it, despite his claims otherwise, that very serious consequences may result. if i were them i would be panicked because very serious consequences will result when i get a chance to cross-examine both michael cohen and donald trump. i think all of america is waiting for that particular cross-examination. a couple other issues i want to bring up with you. you and your client have now released a sketch of the man that ms. clifford sa