barbara res, paul butler and jill winebanks are back with me. trump is saying somebody is a drugged out loser. roger stone says in the "new york times" trump goes out of his way to treat michael cohen like garbage, a quote from there. for years trump treated mr. cohen poorly with gratuitous insults, dismissive statements and at least twice threats of being fired according to interviews with a half dozen people familiar with their relationship. does that sound like the way donald trump treated people in his organization? >> absolutely. his own employees. but not all of them, not all of us, i should say. but if he sensed a weakness, he would just hone in on it and he would jump on you. and if you took it, that was, to him, the license to do whatever he wanted. he was really insulting, terribly -- in front of other people and mean, and he did threaten to fire people, he