politics, the fringes, the whole time, for 40 or 50 or years. paul: right. and the charge against him is that he lied to the fbi. and anyone who knows roger stone is going, roger stone lied? really? this is a guy who probably lies to the mirror in the morning. the real issue here has been from the beginning, started with the fbi s counterintelligence investigation of campaign become in 2016. back in 2016. and this is long removed from what the original collusion charge was all about, which i think people have to keep in mind. the collusion charge was that russian intelligence was interfering in the campaign of 2016. russian intelligence was interfering in a lot of campaigns around the world, but the idea that the trump campaign at a high level was doing that is far removed from what this stone indictment is about. paul: what this indictment does do is says he lied about his attempts to deal, to get in
do see from the indict is that he was trying to he was trying to but he didn t i can t tell you if he did i would think if he had the i could see roger having a camera and visiting with julian assange during the summer of 2016 because that is roger s mystique, that is the idea of being relevant, being part of the ruckus of the election but he didn t. talk a little bit more about that it s fascinating again, as a guy how worked so closely withen abknow in the level that you do, and here he is coming out and knowing you know, like we said, he self-proclaimed dirty trickster. he has this tattoo on the back yesterday he comes out and does the nixon wave here. what are we going to see. i m sure that will picture will be framed in his house two months from now. there you go. right. so is this roger stone we re going to be seeing time and time again whether or not there is going to be collusion charge
hollywood tape. paul, there are lots of charges, false statements, witness statute of limitatio tampering, et cetera. there was not a charge to defraud the united states. that was a charge leveed on russians. does that mean the special counsel doesn t have evidence yet of a conspiracy, of collusion? is he leaving the door open to potential cooperation by stone? it s a glaring omission from the indictment. it is a suggestion that it could be the opening salvo by mueller in an attempt to get stone to cooperate. the wikileaks conduit to the trump campaign is the key avenue to making out a collusion charge. a conspiracy charge. conspiracy to undermine the american election. this indictment focusing on what they say were lies by stone
is not, quote, off the table. jon? jon: does the michael cohen guilty plea get robert mueller closer to some kind of russian collusion charge? republicans say no, that michael cohen entered a guilty plea on thursday admitting to lying to congress about a real estate deal that trump was considering in russia, prior to becoming president. but democrats maintain this is another link between trump and the russian government. it means that the president whether he won or lost was hoping to make money from russia, was seeking at the same time to enlist the support of the kremlin to make that money. when you tell the truth, you don t get in trouble. michael is a liar. he s always been a liar. he lied on his irs forms and bank statements. what michael is going to go to jail for has nothing to do with the elections. president trump called cohen, michael cohen, a quote weak person who is trying to get a reduced jail sentence.
and there could be violations in that that would be completely separate from a collusion charge. got that. what s interesting is the business relationships may have established the relationships they could have used in to provide at least the anything of the release of the e-mails, that s not really collusion. i think they could charge them, if that is true, they could charge them on the computer abuse act. that is that you knowingly conspired to release information that you know is illegal when i obtained. that s a real charge. collusion is not a real charge. that is a real charge. if you start seeing the gelling of all of this, they re doing these things in their business world, it established connection s at the senior enough level of the collusion piece.