is talking to russian intermediaries, whether russia is going to dump information on clinton. cohen is talking about russia about business details. you want to tell me those two pieces aren t going to come together? people talking about money aren t also talking about dumping information during the campaign? that smells dirty, that smells bad. well, there is one co ens coincidence. as a matter of timing. it shows looking at the time line, the day on which michael cohen said i m not interested in going to russia any more, it s not going to happen. is the same day it came out that the russians were involved in hacking the e-mails. it s interesting even if it s not relevant. in terms of motivational. if i m the investigator in this, here s what i m interests in. there s business relationships and there could be violations in that that would be completely separate from a collusion charge. got that.
michael cohen was on the phone with a senior aide in the kremlin. he was directly talking discussing this deal with a russian government official. you put all this together and i think trump is not a complicated person in some way. he s very simple. he was doing you saw him praising putin and sort of aligning the policy of the republican party, changing the plats platform in russia s favor because he wanted two things. he wanted putin to help him win the election and he wanted to help with his business interest in case he didn t win the election. a financial windfall to fall back on. in terms of criminal charges the obvious conspiracy to defraud the united states. the big collusion charge we know that s still being looked at. and then potential lies to congress or potential lies to the special counsel for anyone whose story doesn t line up with what michael cohen said in court today. frank figliuzzi, our viewers can t see your face but i can. you re bursting. jump in on any part
he knew what he was doing. it looks to me like this would be part of any kind of report from mueller when it comes. perhaps soon. it should be part of any report that bob mueller produces and, in fact, i am going to be introducing legislation that requires a report along with full disclosure of any findings and evidence in the event that he is fired or he s forced to resign. and the key word here is the one you used, chris, conspiracy. roger stone, who may well have had advanced knowledge, a close friend of the president and a confidante, others who may have disclose to donald trump about what was going to appear in wikileaks, all of it amounts to a potential conspiracy and that s exactly what the collusion charge may involve. there are at least three trump associates who have
wikileaks, all of it amounts to a potential conspiracy and that s exactly what the collusion charge may involve. there are at least three trump associates who have reported ties to wikileaks, jer own corsi, roger stone and donald trump jr. there s hot one, all who have been subject of recent speculation of coming indictments. there s a suggestion that corsi had advanced knowledge. and we know that roger stone who clammed to have a back channel to wikileaks discussed the release of those e-mails in a text message conversation just before they were leaked. and atlantic said donald trump jr. exchanged correspondent with wikileaks telling others wikileaks had made contact. let s start with this. glen, everybody on this program
they won t do anything without consultation. we run into the same issue that we run into with the potential collusion charge or obstruction of justice, can a sitting president be indict. based on the recording released with cohen and trump where it demonstrates that trump knew about these payments to some degree, and michael cohen pointing the finger at him in court, i don t think that would be enough to charge the president in and of itself. but if there is more evidence from a david pecker who may have also received immunity or from allen weisselberg who is compelled to tell the truth in front of the grand jury or from executive two who is unknown. there s a lot unknown but donald trump could have committed aid federal crime. we don t know that yet but then we run into the same issues that we ve been talking about with the obstruction of justice investigation, particularly whether a sitting president can be indicted or not. if you re sure he can t be