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Transcripts For MSNBCW Alex 20240704

Well, you have got to weigh, you have got to do all this to the indictment we are familiar with indictments lets do it lets go. Lets get it on air. 6 million pages of discovery . Come on. Lets go. Tv people thank you, my friend, as always. Thanks to you at home for joining us this hour. The article starts with this quote. The woman cannot believe it. She is in the same elevator with Rudolph Giuliani. Oh, this is a thrill. This is not someone in a maga hat at cpac last year. It is a random new yorker in the year 1985. 1985 was the year that Rudolph Giuliani made a name for himself. It was the year that giuliani pioneer the same prosecutorial tactics that now very much look like they could be his downfall. But let me back up just a little bit. This is carmine, the cigar gilante. He was allegedly the boss of one of new yorks most powerful Crime Families. And in the 70s, gilante shot point blank at an italian allegedly the motivation of his assassins ways that galante decided he should be

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Transcripts for MSNBC Alex Wagner Tonight 20240604 01:03:00

Kapo instead mr. giuliani wanted strike all levels of the mob family saying it was not an unrealistic goal to crush them. so giuliani went for the people at the top. the indictment of the national commission of organized crime according to the fbi, this nine member ruling body is co-chaired by the men who are the bosses of new york s five organized crime families. the genovese family the gambia no family headed by big paul castolon oh the lou casey family, ruled by tony ducks colored oh the and a banana family headed by phil risch delhi. the case that made rudy giuliani a national figure was not about any one criminal or any one crime. it was about how all of these crimes drug deals and extortion even murder how all of that was ultimately

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Transcripts for MSNBC Alex Wagner Tonight 20240604 01:58:00

Transfer of power, after follow this wherever it goes. and yeah, i think it s true that this was not the most skillful band of traitors in global history. but the more we learn, the more we see how coordinated it was. the thing that should scare us all, is that if strawberry somehow to win, it will be much more skillful next time. clearly he doesn t think he did anything wrong. a lot of the people around him don t think he did anything wrong. so that s why it s important to be held to account and one of the important things about georgia s, so many other people who were part of this conspiracy also have been indicted. to the georgia case, what do you make of the washington post analysis this morning, effectively saying the case the d.a. willis has brought is overly broad and that that could ultimately help trump. this is a quote from that piece. if jurors eventually balk at the breadth of the charges in georgia, that could turn public

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Transcripts for MSNBC Alex Wagner Tonight 20240604 01:06:00

100-year prison sentences. and the case may giuliani famous. and he s that fame to ultimately run for mayor of new york and, well, you know the rest of the story. but now a version of the same law georgia s rico statute a version of that law could be rudy giuliani s downfall. of all the indictments former president trump faces, one of the things that makes yesterday s unique ways, how many other defendants there or. because it is a rico case, trump was indicted along with 18 other codefendants. 19 people 19 all charged with being part of a criminal enterprise. just like how giuliani charge the commission in the 19 80s. and last night, fulton county d.a. fani willis made it clear that she intends to try this whole criminal enterprise together. do i intend to try the 19 defendants in this indictment together? yes. now, we have seen plenty of

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Transcripts for MSNBC Alex Wagner Tonight 20240604 01:05:00

Influenced and corrupt organization act of 1970. you might know it more as rico. before 1970, prosecutors were limited to seeking indictments for specific acts, such as the commission of a crime to finding witnesses who would conspiracy. rico change that. if you could prove that there was an enterprise or an organized group of some kind, conspiring together to commit multiple crimes, then you could charge for that conspiracy. it s back in 1983, i think when ron came to visit me to talk about putting together a rico case. at that point, we all thought that there was a possibility of putting together a case on the commission of the mafia. but it was on the drawing board at the time. and there were an awful lot of people, including people within law enforcement that thought that that was totally unrealistic, ridiculous, could not be done. rudy giuliani did it. the top bosses in new york s most powerful mafias were given

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