corrupt and leave to rest to me and republican members of congress. what we wanted was someone with credibility like the justice department to say the election was corrupt so the public could begin to believe it, and he could have that cover to do what he wanted to do ing and reach out to states with fake electors and these things. this segment of the story is part of the charge of pierce to defraud the united states, and that is using a fly try to interfere with the administration of a government function, that is the lawful transfer of presidential power. this was one of the episodes where donald trump was trying to interfere with that fair administration, by getting these states to submit alternate slates of electors to overturn the free and fair electors that had already been elected in those states to elect joe biden. i also think that this could be used as evidence of the corrupt intent to be able to interrupt an official proceeding
we were all he was basically going to be left with a graveyard inside the justice department. but here s the thing the takeaway i take politically from all of this, and i think it s important as we set up the narrative for 2024. donald trump has learned a very valuable lesson if nothing else, and i believe this idea of the next time, he will not have this happen again. he will not install in place lawyers who will tell him no, who will recite to him the rules and regulations and god forbid, the constitution. but instead will say yes, sir. how do you need this done? when does it need done? and how do we corral the forces across the country to make sure it sticks? so i think there are a lot of important takeaways from moments like this to understand just how thin that line was for us in
picture of what could have been if donald trump won a second term. so i felt like it was necessary to go tell that story, and so i spent two years interviewing a lot of these people and asking them, what were this things trump wanted to do in a first term that he or a maga copycat could do in a second term? the result would be what i call a handbook of harassment, and that s not just harassment against the political rivals. they are going to want the harass democracy s guardrails until they re no longer there, until they don t have impediments to stop them implementing what a maga version of america would look like. a warning to save democracy from the next trump. you mentioned a second ago, trump or a maga copycat. i wanted to ask you, because there s this thing called project 2025. it s a $22 million presidential
deflect away from the man who s at the center of this, donald trump, who s on trial for his criminal behavior. not anything i did, not anything any of us on this panel did, but what he did is why he s in a courtroom and why he will be prosecuted by jack smith, who, by the way s more republican than donald trump ever was. that s a very good point. barb, let s go further south in the united states, let s go to georgia. the d.a. is looking at solicitation to commit conspiracy fraud. are you like me expecting an rico charge to come out of an indictment or indictments plural? it seems like the pleases the shaping up or a rico charge. part is based on her his troy use rico in creative ways. she s used it for gang members,
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