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the d.a. could have an uphill battle. not whether there was a lie, the business lie has been proven on paper. but whether there was this larger felony. they could argue for example that the d.a. has overreached and they could try to get the judge or the jury to look at this as something that shouldn't have gotten to this level. and there are ways for example, and we haven't gotten there yet, but they could legally try to get none instruction to the jury, to say, maybe you just want to hit him on that misdemeanor, the business stuff and end this whole thing. they could try to argue that trump wasn't in the loop. that michael cohen went rogue. we've heard that a lot. there is a lot of unknowns. but again, the way we learn about this is through the entire record and both sides of the case so i'm very happy to say that we're joined by tim parlatory. he was on the high-profile january 6 case defense and the

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