cnn has in our reporting is andrew mccabe s conversations with the president included multiple times in which mccabe was ask ed about his wife and donations from an ally of clinton s. fact he was documenting these conversations with the president and also what james comey told mccabe about his interactions with trump in memos, how key would those be as corroborating evidence. apparently, mueller has all those memos now. yes, and one of the reasons you want those is from an evidentiary standpoint, you can get those in as past recollection recorded. normally, it would be heresy if you just did notes. if you re doing them contemporaneously, that s a way to get it into evidence, number one. number two is, part of the reason that the white house between down and between trump are so feverishly commenting on this and stepping on this story is because they know that the special counsel is closing in on
if you re making an allegation, there s some merit to it, that it s a truthful allegation. if it is true, it would put trump s legal team on notice that hey, you re not just going to have to deal with us. we may be able to show the judge a pattern of this type of activity, and if those other individuals also receive physical threats, then that s extortion. i don t think a judge would ever enforce a nondisclosure agreement if it was coupled with that type of physical threat. you bring up the physical threats. you re right. daniels attorney said his client had been physically threatened to stay silent. he didn t say who threatbed her. here s how the white house responded. obviously, we take the safety and security of any person seriously, certainly would condemn anyone threatening any individual. but i have no knowledge of that situation, and would refer you to the president s outside personal attorneys. so how do you see this playing out? well, i don t know if we re going to se
celebrating mccabe s downfall on twitter. meantime, trump s personal lawyers calling for an end to the russian investigation. also, we learned mccabe sat down with robert mueller s team and fielded questions about one time boss james comey. so much to discuss with guys who has good perspective on us. good to see you, guys. julian, i want to start with you. mccabe is pushing back hard saying part of the war against the fbi. what s your take? i think many people feel that way. that the president has conducted an operation or a war on the fbi, on robert mueller, on intelligence agencies, all effort to discredit the entire investigation without actually firing robert mueller. so mccabe who is now in the center of this, i think is not
analyst and criminal defense attorney, page pate. what s your reaction, page, to these filings on behalf of the president? it does sound like another bullying tactic, and this is exactly the kind of thing that donald trump did when he was a private citizen. he had his lawyers act like bulldogs. they were always aggressive. but in this case, i think by being aggressive, they re actually playing in to stormy daniels and her legal team s hands. that s exactly what they want. if there was nothing to these allegations, if they were not true, the last thing you want to do is file a lawsuit in federal court. take the case and remove it to federal court, where there s likely going to be hearings in front of a judge, perhaps even a jury trial, where all of this gets aired out. i would think that s the last thing you want to do if you re trying to keep her quiet. $20 million. would you be worried if you were stormy s attorney? not at all. i understand the nondisclosure agreement does have
whatever it is, will all come out eventually? well, i do think the truth eventually comes out in american politics. and i m looking forward to seeing what mccabe has to say. and i don t want to prejudge the matter. what i have said time and again is mueller is one of the most trusted people in washington. he used to be a republican. he was trusted by republican administrations. what is sad is seeing people, for personal gain, tarnish his reputation, tarnish the reputation of career officers who have served for 20 years. let s have an investigation. let the facts play out, and let s go where the facts are. i don t want to prejudge the investigation. i want to preserve the independence of these agencies and the rule of law. when you say that, preserving the independence of the agencies, that s so important. so many americans are hearing that and saying yes, that is