whatever it is, will all come out eventually? >> well, i do think the truth eventually comes out in american politics. and i'm looking forward to seeing what mccabe has to say. and i don't want to prejudge the matter. what i have said time and again is mueller is one of the most trusted people in washington. he used to be a republican. he was trusted by republican administrations. what is sad is seeing people, for personal gain, tarnish his reputation, tarnish the reputation of career officers who have served for 20 years. let's have an investigation. let the facts play out, and let's go where the facts are. i don't want to prejudge the investigation. i want to preserve the independence of these agencies and the rule of law. >> when you say that, preserving the independence of the agencies, that's so important. so many americans are hearing that and saying yes, that is