i didn t jump to embrace him. you got to look that he had a 20 year battle. let s read what the battle was and where he lost and what was said. as soon as you saw snipers show up and people with the u.s. government show up, my initial thoughts were are we really going to have a waco 2.0 over cattle grazing and a tortoise? you have got to be kidding me. you don t do this even if he is wrong, even if he did not pay his bill or he says it was a land decision. he says i want to pay the state not the federal government. without reading the court cases, to be honest, i read hours of stuff to see he had lost a couple different times. just before we go, i want to say to my friend donna, there is no false equivalency here.
now go to you, liz. my reaction is, sean hannity always ends up being a victim. that s what it sounds like. he s acting as if, you know, people are going out of their way to connect him and the other people who had spoken up in defense of bundy. sean hannity made this guy a cause. he didn t just say this is a good principle, move on. this was his driving cause the last few weeks. and he was acting like clive bundy was wonderful, until he said these awful things. cliven bundy, the fact that sean hannity frames this as governmental overreach when cliven bundy is the one who has for 20 years had his cattle grazing on federal land and not paying a dime for it and gets to sit there is absurd. not to mention, like you said, the defense of this insanity with the racism and, you know, sean hannity being like oh, he was awful, just terrible.
immigrants deported under president obama s administration. or the muslim new yorkers who up until this week were the targets of an nypd surveillance program that monitored and covertly infiltrated the spaces where they lived and worked and shopped and prayed. and this fear-driven response leaves lingering questions about who we perceive to be a threat and why. should that angst, for instance, include people like frazier glenn cross. cross, an active participant for three decades in white supremacist hate groups was charged this week with first-degree murder in the killing of three people at a jewish community center and a retirement center. or should we add to that list of existential people like cliven bundy, the rancher who after refusing over $1 million in fines for two decades of illegal cattle grazing on government lou land inspired a militia. men like these are the boogie
don t have a case that i can see to be honest with it. if you are going to use public land for profit, you have to pay for it. the bottom line, conservatives have to remember, if you want a ranch without any interference, you have to buy your own ranch. i think it s important to point out that this land does not belong to them and it s not a minor distinction. it s the essence of private property. sorry. a.b. it wasn t that he was denied grazing rights. he refused to pay the grazing fees, so he could have had his cattle grazing on federal land but he refused to pay up to a million dollars in grazing feeds. the blm could not have bungled this more by tasing his son. agents also came behind cliven
under compared so other ranchers, absolutely not. in 1989 a fed up wayne, sr. published a book titled storm over range lands. they claim that in response the government reacted by going after them even harder. and by the end of 1990 had suspended one of their essential grazing permits. we were observing the effects of cattle grazing to the resources. the forest service made this video in 1991 laying out their case. excessive grazing is causing one of the more undesirable species. they claim that the cattle were overgrazing and that the land needed a fear-year rest to recover. they instructed them to remove their cattle. the problem, wayne says, is that the government couldn t clearly identify the boundaries of the forbidden area. we were licensed to have cattle in the valley.