question if i do remember things but not every little detail and i say i don t recall, wouldn t i perjury myself, the correct answer is, yes, you would be perjurying yourself. stefan passantino lied to his client about that if her testimony is credible. cassidy hutchinson had never had a lawyer before in her life and could not afford a lawyer and had been offered this free lawyer from what she calls trump world, if cassidy hutchinson submitted to and remained under the control of that lawyer paid by donald trump, she would have delivered the january 6th committee none of the testimony that is now the basis of the committee s criminal referral of a former president of the united states for prosecution by the justice department. cassidy hutchinson s testimony reveals another point that standing alone would be enough to get that lawyer disbarred in most jurisdictions in this
to as cassidy hutchinson put it do the right thing. but now we know that it is possible that years from now, maybe 50 years from now someone working in a corrupt white house will be inspired by cassidy hutchinson to break loose from the grip of that corruption and do the right thing. back with us andrew weissmann, former chief of the criminal division of in new york and daniel goldman for the first impeachment trial of donald trump and a former assistant u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york. andrew weissmann, i wanted to give you some time with what i think is a very important story about how we got that cassidy hutchinson testimony and how much work was done to try to prevent that testimony.
mccabe, former fbi deputy director along with defense attorney and former federal prosecutor chan woo. andy, these are some of the transcripts hot off the press in a way and we re still awaiting this final report. anything stand out to you? . well, the cassidy hutchinson testimony is remarkable in the detail it provides, showing exactly how it works behind the scenes when you have an attorney provided for you by someone else and that third party is the person the attorney is protecting. there s gray area here, invariably he said/she said, but there are moments in this testimony that are undeniable. it reads like the transcript of someone who is formerly a member of an organized crime family that s rebelling against having to take the you know, the organization s attorney. there are just lines in here that you can t possibly make up
these offers were withdrawn or didn t materialize as reports of the content of her testimony circulated. the witness believed this was an effort to affect her testimony. congresswoman zoe lofgren today following the money to an interesting place, this is this is interesting, i think. and it is certainly an as yet unresolved part of the january 6th investigation. basically it s the question of what they re going to do about obstruction and witness tampering. the january 6th investigators say they know of multiple instances in which trump personally is said to have contacted a witness about his or her testimony to the investigation. they say one specific instance of that has already been reported to the u.s. justice department. but what congresswoman zoe lofgren described out and what s in the introduction to the report they released today implies that people on the trump side, members of the trump team
context of this witness tampering is they were using trump supplied lawyers who were potentially in turn pressuring those agents not to be forthcoming. perjury is a crime including lying under oath in testimony to congress and to the extent that it s going to be helpful to the doj to get witness transcripts, i mean they are free if they want to, to bring in those same agents to testify to the grand jury and if they tell untruthful things to the grand jury or tell contradictory things under oath to two different entities they re on the hook for perjury and a federal prosecution. we re going to talk to one of the police officers who was there on january 6th fighting for his own life and fighting to protect our democracy. he was also there in the room today to hear about these criminal referrals for the former president. capitol police officer harry dunn will join us next. stay with us. [ crowd chanting ] it was clear that it was escalating, escalating quickly.