2019 and after, because now we know. i mean, now we know that every fantasy about how corrupt this administration was is actually true. that now we know that this was a corrupt inner enterprise from the very beginning, that the president didn t care at all about ukraine, all he wanted out of this relationship was he wanted to embarrass biden by getting a public announcement of an investigation of burisma, where his son worked. and he was willing to use $400 million in taxpayer mo tony get it and now we know. now the only question is, does anyone care? i mean, do the republicans care? does it matter to them that this corrupt enterprise is now proved clearly by the testimony and by these e-mails? that i have no idea about. but whether it took place is
is that in the president s phone call with zelensky, he also said directly, you have to talk with rudy so what he is doing is making link that rudy equals donald trump. what sondland said as well, you know, when i spoke with donald trump, he never said, you know, you ve got to do this. but the message came through. the message came directly through rudy guiliani. the other, you know, the other point here is on this question of an announcement, why was this announcement so important? did it mean that the president rudy guiliani really wanted an investigation? or did it mean that what they really wanted was a public announcement, so that the president could use it politically and his presidential campaign and that seems to be clear, coming from the q&a with the attorney, mr. goldman. what do you think? i think you can divide the trump presidency into two periods, before november 20th,
during the early august time frame. does that make sense to you? yeah. i think taylor started in late june or early july was when he first took post. and i think we began communicating fairly shortly thereafter. he never communicated any concerns to you during this time frame that he had issues with what was going on? what do you mean by what was going on? this request for some sort of investigation. not in the early stages. you know, as time went on, his e-mails began to be a little more pointed and frantic. and that s when we had very little visibility as to what was going on either. i think it had more to do with the aid and why the aid was suspended. right. and ultimately you put a period on that issue by having the september 9th communication with the president, is that correct?
equals four, is that right? again, i didn t know that the aid was conclusively tied. i was presuming. he was in a position to say yes, it was or no it wasn t. he said yes, it was. he said yes, it was. mr. goldman. thank you, mr. chairman. thank you again, ambassador sondland. we do appreciate your efforts to refresh your recollection through the documents and we understand we share your frustration in not having the documents to help guide this investigation. so we do appreciate those efforts. one of the documents that you provided to us goes back to the conversation you and the chairman were having about mr. mulvaney. you had been trying for some time before the july 25th call to set up that call, is that right? to set up the call between president trump and president zelensky, yes. correct, yes. i want to show you an e-mail
an investigation into zelensky, the president of burst marks this was the ukrainian ambassador appointed by president obama in ukraine. i wasn t aware of that. no. you were not aware of it? no. so you would not be the first one to be mentioning that investigations should be done on burisma, because it happened during the obama administration? did you know that financial records showed burisma routed more than $3 million to the american accounts tied to hunter biden? i did not know that. did you know that burisma s american lawyers tried to secure a meeting with the new state prosecutor the same day as his pred saysor, victor chokin who the vice president wanted fired was announced. i did not know that. we won t get the answers