he was a prosecutor and zelensky wanted to wait until his person was in place. so once that new prosecutor was in place then z, president zelensky, should be able to move forward publicly and with confidence on those issues of importance to potus. what did you mean by those issues of importance to potus? again the 2016 election and burisma investigation. are you aware at this time that secretary pompeo had listening to the july 25th phone call? i was not. if he had do you think you would fully understand what the issues of importance to potus to the ukraine would be? i can t characterize his state of mind, he listened in on the phone call and he concluded what he concluded. now you for the phone call it was quite clear what the issues of importance to potus were? yes. that is correct.
all i can testify to is what i know mr. giuliani either told me directly or told ambassador volker and others as it was related to me. thank you. i yield back. mr. turner. ambassador sondland, i want to walk through some of the portions of your testimony because sometimes you seem to make direct connections and sometimes they seem to be dead ends. i kind of want to clear up what are the dead ends and what are they direct connections. yesterday, ambassador volker, who i consider to be very talented and a man of integrity and i believe you think he s a man of integrity, correct? he testified that the president of the united states did not tie either a meeting with the president, phone call, or any aide to investigations of burisma, 2016, or the bidens. the president did not do that. you testified that the president did not tell you that he tied
where president trump says the other thing, there is a lot of talk about biden s son that biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that. so whatever you can do with the attorney general would be great. biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it, it sounds horrible to me. president zelensky then responds with a reference to the company that he is referring to and two witnesses yesterday said that when president zelensky actually said the company he said burisma. so you would agree that regardless of whether you knew about the connection to the bidens, at the very least that you now know that that s what president trump wanted at the time through the burisma investigation. i now know it all, of course. at this time you were aware of the president s desire, along with rudy giuliani, to do these investigations including
them either. i did testified that, although in ambassador volker and i were working on the statement and negotiating with the ukrainians, it was clear to ambassador volker that a meeting would not happen without the burisma in 2016. that was very clear to ambassador volker. how do you know that? what did he say? he says it s not clear. he was working on it. he knows that s with the president wanted but he didn t have it as a requirement. i strongly disagree with that portion of his testimony. it was absolutely a requirement or would ve had the meeting and been done with it. what about the aid? he is saying that the aide was not tied. i didn t say they were conclusively tied. i said i was presuming it. the president was not tying aid to investigations. he also testified he spoke to
elections. and mr. volker transmitted this message to a top ukrainian official, right? correct. mr. ambassador, this statement was part of the deliverable president trump wanted. correct. to your knowledge, sir, was pushing the ukrainians to investigate burisma 2016, part of state department official policy? stick i never testified we are pushing anyone investigate the n or less. i said burisma. you are involved in ukrainian policy. i told you what my role was which was quite limited in focus. was it your understanding that ukraine policy should involve investigations into americans or debunked conspiracy theories about the 2016 elections? what i testified was that in order to get president zelensky a white house visit, mr. giuliani conveyed the notion that president trump wanted