discussion of spec investigations? is there any discussion of biden or burisma or anything linking to aid in this e-mail that you sent to pompeo? secretary pompeo? the no, this was a proposed briefing that i was going to give president zelensky. and i was going to call president zelensky and ask him to say what is in this e-mail and i was asking essentially president pompeo s permission to do that. right. which he said yes. but at that point in time, we re talking about investigations into the or begins of the 2016 election. we re not talking about anything to do with joe biden? joe biden did not come up. okay. stepping back a page to your e-mail to the state department on august 11th, you e-mailed secretary pompeo and you say, heard non-negotiated statement from zelensky to be delivered
i think i said that we heard from mr. giuliani that that was the case. so that helped inform your presumption? correct. it wasn t really a presumption. you heard from mr. giuliani? i didn t hear from mr. giuliani about the aid. i heard about the burisma and 2016. the aid was there as well. that was the problem, mr. goldman. no one told me directly that the aid was tied to anything. i was presuming it was. right. i want to go ahead to i want to go back on september 1st or i m going to jump actually ahead to september 7th, okay? when we discussed those text messages where you said there were multiple convos with president zelensky and potus. do you recall that? do you have the e-mail, by any chance? we could try to pull it up in
without hesitation, president trump immediately denied such an arrangement existed. and senator johnson quotes, the president as saying, no and he prefaced it with a different word. no way. i would never do that. who told you that? i have, senator johnson says, i have accurately characterized the president s reaction as adamant, vehement and angry. senator johnson s telephone call with the president wasn t a public event. it was capturing a genuine moment with the president and he had at this point in time on august 31st he was adamant, vehement and angry that there was no connections to aid. there were no pre conditions. yeah, i had my meeting with senator johnson where again i had made the presumption that i had made to both mr. yermak and the e-mail i had sent to
jam, i referred to the log jam in a very inclusive way. everything was jammed up at that point. and secretary pompeo essentially gave me the green light to brief president zelensky about making those announcements. okay. we can turn to that. and then that was your e-mail dated, what date? do you have the page there? well, your e-mail to secretary pompeo was that august 11th? 16. august 22nd. okay. so you re asking secretary pompeo whether we should block time and is there any
drug cocktail or something. no one ever said that to me by phone, by text, by e-mail. i don t remember anybody sounding any alarm bell. because of course had someone mentioned it, i would have sat up and taken notice. everyone s hair was on fire, but no one decided to talk to us. when you talk in your statement about in the absence of any credible explanation for the suspension of aid, i later game to believe it was your speculation, it was your guess that the resumption of aid would not occur until the announcement of the investigations. you said at this point everyone knew this, is that correct? i think once that politico article broke, it started making the rounds that, you know, if