justice, you have to prove intent. that s a high bar. if you continue to look at the pattern, the statements and the tweets all the statements made by president trump s lawyers and everybody around him, it does add up to that building pattern of obstruction of justice which most people think is ultimately what could get the president in a lot of trouble here. great to talk to both of you. with the president ramping up his attacks on robert mueller and his team, a new piece in the atlantic is america on the verge of a constitutional crisis. ben wit says there s a better term and it s constitutional rot. senior fellow at the brooks kings institution and editor of law fair. you talk about constitutional crisis. we re more familiar with what that may mean or might mean. help us with constitutional rot. what s that? constitutional crisis is an acute moment in which the constitutional order is tested,
sensible tell me what policies he should be following. you hear stuff about cut taxes and close the deficit simultaneously. none of it makes any sense. we re in a tough, slow recovery and i do believe that virtually all of what could be done is being done. so i don t think there s anything you don t get. i just think we re in a tough economic situation and we ve got to give it a little bit of time. what s the human toll on the chatter that is how much of the criticism outside filters in? i think they re intensely aware of the criticism outside. i think it gets back to rahm emanuel s favorite saying. this is not the brooks kings institution or the aspen institute. tell us in real practical terms, in the real world of politics with an election, with congress, what is it you want us to do? what are we missing? what policy do you want that we re not pursuing? it s not the brookings institute? it certainly is. this white house, the bush