the january 6th case that could be approaching its end game. plus, in the classified documents investigation, previously unreported details on a subpoena for surveillance footage, not from mar-a-lago this time, but from donald trump s bedminster golf club. first, though, something exciting to share that s a little closer to home. tomorrow on this very program at this very time, president joe biden will join us in what will be his first live sit-down interview since becoming president. we don t have to tell you there is a ton to ask him about and talk to him about. you won t want to miss it right here at 4:00 tomorrow. but after i pick my job off the floor that i just actually read that, we ll go back to our top story, rudy giuliani, mr. four seasons total landscaping himself met with special counsel prosecutors in recent weeks. nbc news confirmed that he did that with his own political adviser, ted goodman after earlier reporting in the day from cnn. crucially, goodman insi
talk to him for a full long day, if jack smith has already had mark meadows in to talk to him in front of a grand jury, if jack smith has already been with those men, who s left? i mean, who i mean, i guess that leaves trump, eastman, and rudy? well, yeah, but first it s a very good point because, you know, if giuliani s lawyer says can i come in and talk to you, they ll say sure. they ll hear him out, but if they if he s too late, if they already have what they need, you know, no deal for rudy. but in terms of the coat ree you re talking about that really were talking directly with trump, and he seems to during this period have been unabashed about picking up and calling electors and people in the states, but eastman certainly figures in, maybe jenna ellis who seems to have had this relationship with him. just this final, as michael said, you know, at the end,
anybody who would tell him what he wanted to hear, those were the people who had his ear and in turn, you know, had their ears to hear what he said. so that s the kind of final circle it seems to me we re in. first and foremost to me, i ve been saying this for months, mark meadows, and now that he s testified, you know, that really gives smith a lot to work with. we don t know what he said, just like we don t know a lot of the cards that smith is holding right now. but it s a high hand. and we have seen a lot of mark meadows text messages sent and received on that day and leading up to it. so if we imagine jack smith to have a gazillion more stuff like that, you re right, he has a lot. i want to switch gears with you, betsy and michael, and sort of get at what trump is facing. i know there s a temptation to cover trump as though it s a static thing in our politics, but he s never run for president with jack smith and chris christie both taking aim at him, one for his criminality and
interesting. what do you surmise is going on here? yeah, you know, it s rudy s kind of been this interesting cog in the wheel that once he goes out and is seemingly doing trump s bidding and saying all kinds of crazy, and then in other moments, you know, you really wonder, okay, how deep is he in the roots of this thing? how much of a connection he has. and i think at the end of the day, you kind of realize that he was the guy that trump sort of pushed out there to sort of, you know, put in place the cover to give a narrative, and certainly to give instruction to a lot of the various as you saw in that video there. making that connection to trump through rudy to the various entities and players that the president wanted to touch but didn t want to necessarily have
that that s going to make trump more mad than being called by chris christie. nothing he said is going to bother him as much as being called not a greek god. trump has never had to run for president against chris christie. chris christie didn t lay a glove on him in 16. he was an enthusiastic supporter of his all through the first presidency, was offered some pretty high profile jobs for a complicated set of reasons never really went in, but remained his close friend and outside adviser. that is his baggage or whatever you view that as as the general election candidate. but trump has never had to run against him before, and the hits come. they re frontal. they re backed up with facts, and this one is sure to hurt donald trump s feelings. yeah, and trump is obsessed with physical appearance, obsessed with the physical appearance of the people around him. it s something that has long shaped his hiring decisions,