instances mueller and other special counsels release what they call superseding indictments. as they find out more, they expand the story. what s interesting here is that this puts wikileaks right in the middle of it. they have messages of wikileaks reaching out to guccifer 2.0, a russian intelligence front, and saying, hey, we want these documents. we want to get them out before the convention to do maximum harm to hillary clinton and to help donald trump. so we see here, you know, presuming these messages are accurate, direct evidence that wikileaks was doing this in league with the russian intelligence, whether they knew it was russians or not. but to help trump and to hurt hillary clinton. and that was as opposed that was regarding the documents that came out before the democratic convention. they went even further with the podesta documents in october closer to the election. i should note something you said there, these are all allegations, this is an indictment.
yes. of the final hook between russian government and trump campaign. and remember, stone, by his own admission, he says, oh, i m not the guy who was in touch with campaign officials. i m the guy who was in touch with trump himself. right. that s a great point. that s paragraph 44. i mean we are really at the door of knowledge if not conspiracy. and the conspiracy part of it it strikes me, jill, from a legal and i don t really quite know this very well so question for you. it seems they have established a criminal conspiracy, right? these are all conspiracy charges. it talks about the conspirators. you can imagine further charges about abetting or furthering that criminal conspiracy, which is the criminal conspiracy contained in this indictment. absolutely. you definitely can. and so it s time to stop calling this a witch hunt. totally. it is not a witch hunt.
i will tell you this, russia, if you re listening, i hope you re able to find the 30,000 e-mails that are missing. i think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press. let s see if that happens. donald trump asked russia to hack his political opponent. according to the indictment, they went ahead and started doing it that day. collusion you might call it, right out in the open. this comes after nbc news reported earlier this year that mueller s investigators are specifically focused on those particular comments, asking witnesses if trump was advised to make the statement about clinton s e-mails from someone outside his campaign and if they had reason trump tried to coordinate the release of the dnc e-mails to do the most damage to clinton. we do not know the answers about the very serious answers to the questions but robert mueller
joining me now, democratic congressman ted lieu, member of the house judiciary, who has called for trump to cancel his meeting and julia ioffe. first of all, congressman lieu, why don t you think he should call it off? thank you, chris, for your question. these indictments today show that it was the russian military that attacked america in 2016. these are indictments russian military intelligence officers, which means vladimir putin would have ordered their attack. that s why it s deeply disturbing the president of the united states would meet with putin on monday. if he goes ahead with that meeting, he absolutely cannot meet with putin alone. we need to have putin at first acknowledge that russia did this and then to extradite those people for prosecution. what message do you think it sends the president after this document to be issued to go and sit down with putin one on one. aside from the fact that the indictment is some pretty perry mason stuff? yes. you know, i thin
message is at the very least is this is all bs, you re my buddy. we re good. but yes, it could be that he s going to vladimir putin saying what do i do? exactly. we don t know. but again, at the very least, and also this indictment is a bombshell. but it s also coming off of a bombshell week where trump has shaken up nato, shaken up the uk, putin that s a big win for putin. putin is going to be coming off the end of a triumphant basically pulling off hosting the world cup, pulling it off without a hitch, also a big victory, he s been talking about how this shatters all the negative stereotypes about russia. all of this coming together in this joyous, victorious kiss for him with donald trump, leader of the free world. i just can t believe it s happening. congressman, you obviously think it shouldn t happen, and i