>> yes. >> of the final hook between russian government and trump campaign. and remember, stone, by his own admission, he says, oh, i'm not the guy who was in touch with campaign officials. i'm the guy who was in touch with trump himself. >> right. that's a great point. >> that's paragraph 44. i mean we are really at the door of knowledge if not conspiracy. >> and the conspiracy part of it it strikes me, jill, from a legal -- and i don't really quite know this very well so question for you. it seems they have established a criminal conspiracy, right? these are all conspiracy charges. it talks about the conspirators. you can imagine further charges about abetting or furthering that criminal conspiracy, which is the criminal conspiracy contained in this indictment. >> absolutely. you definitely can. and so it's time to stop calling this a witch hunt. >> totally. >> it is not a witch hunt.