closed-door deposition, but that he proposed answering questions in public. alex jones has talked about it as well. on the one hand, public congressional interviews sometimes turn into very whacky circuses. i would refer people to corey lewandowski s notorious interview with congressional investigators a couple of years ago. on the other hand, congresswoman cheney has now said that the committee is looking to have more public hearings with more witnesses to take what they re learning behind closed doors and to make it public. is it likely that alex jones, jeff clark and bernie carrick participate in any of those hearings? i don t know. but they already have gone out there and suggested that at least in some way, they re willing to talk publicly. it s going to be interesting. betsy, good to see you as always. thank you for joining us. betsy woodruff swann is a natural correspondent with politico. joining me now is the democratic congresswoman from california, judy chu, the chair of
pushing his big lie of election fraud, just hours before the insurrection itself where he reportedly stressed to his allies how he wanted to delay the certification of biden s victory in congress. we should note that reporting is based on anonymous sources and it has not been confirmed by nbc news. i don t know whether that s going to bear out or not. but the question of whether it is true or what extent trump was talking with those folks is exactly the purpose of this undertaking. it s why congressional oversight into the attempted coup is so important. and it s why the information has to be brought to light so it can be confirmed and brought to the public s attention. because the threat s not going away. trump is likely to run for president again in 2024. and the american public deserves to know exactly how close he came to pulling it off. to dismantling american democracy in his last days in power. betsy woodruff swann is the national correspondent at politico where she s been cover
january 6th committee s investigation. and she joins me now. betsy, can you give me a little background i guess on the clark situation? a little different than bannon for a few different reasons. a more colorable claim to privilege. and he did show up. he didn t just blow them off. what can you tell us about the committee s deliberations about arriving at this recommendation? the biggest problem for clark, which is a problem bannon actually didn t have, is that even though trump would have had firmer ground to assert executive privilege as it relates to clark, trump didn t actually do that. trump ghosted on jeffrey clark. the last communication that trump and his legal team ah. sent to jeffrey clark, according to clark himself, was on august 2nd of this year. and in that communication trump said he would not go to court to block clark from talking to congressional investigators. fast forward to mid october.
incarcerated. of course, alex jones is another really interesting character here. somebody who long has had interactions with trump and also was in the crowd, outside the capitol building, on january 6th. one thing the subpoena cover letter specifically says is that jones tried to tell people not to break into the country. but our understanding is that the select committee doesn t see that as at all necessarily exculpatory for him. he was very much involved in riling up these far-right travelers who came to the u.s. in the day before january 6th, who were there at the rally, on the morning before the attack happened. and jones would have really interesting visibility into the connective tissue between rally organizers and the people who actually marched to the capitol building, since he was among those folks who were present outside the building that day. betsy, thank you, as always, for making this so clear to us. betsy woodruff swann is a national correspondent for politico. she kn
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