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politics or partisanship. it s only about patriotism. patriotism over partisanship. betsy, you re on capitol hill often. do you get a sense that a message for the democrats right now? look, privately for democrats the fact is, this was 100% a political calculation. the idea that, you know, the political facts didn t inform the approach that democrats took to the impeachment process is not something that you ll hear people say and are sort of more candid, talking on background settings. that said, it s a vital argument for democrats to try to make especially for members in competitive districts. members like max rose in new jersey or abigail spanjer in virginia. they could generally see themselves in even more danger than prior to impeachment because of this process and how divisive it is. they have to argue, luke look, the stances they re taking are about principle more than
focused article of impeachment against the president. that s because, quote, speaker pelosi has been adamant that the case against trump must be targeted and easy to communicate in order to build public support. for that, i m joined right now by democratic congressman, eric swalwell of california, who s on the house intelligence committee. jeff bennett, our correspondent for nbc news, covering this story. betsy woodruff swann is a politics reporter with the daily beast and glenn kirschner, of course, former federal prosecutor. let s start with jeff, my friend, you re covering on this case, is it inevitable, am i right, we re going to impeach? the u.s. house of representatives is going to impeach the president? and chris, it s great to see you. welcome back. i think all signs point to the inevitability of impeachment. and when we say that, we mean impeachment as a process, not impeachment as an end result. and the reason i say that is because what we know about nancy pelosi is two thi
that s according to current and former u.s. officials, one of whom testified in the impeachment inquiry last week. while neither putin nor orban encouraged trump to seek dirt on joe biden, quote, their disparaging depictions of ukraine reinforced trump s perceptions of the country, as white house officials struggled to persuade trump to support the fledgling government in kiev instead of exploiting it for political purposes. betsy, this is what the speaker of the house is talking about. all roads lead to putin. the country of ukraine, more than any other country in the region, i would say, by far, is incredibly dependent on economic support from the united states. most of western europe sees ukraine as something of an outcast. they find it a little bit embarrassing. especially javelin missiles to stop russian tanks. exactly. they don t seriously they haven t made serious, major commitments to that country. ukraine really relies on support from the united states. and putin knows
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