i would say the two of them probably got some level of enjoyment or satisfaction in their combined ability to manipulate those inside the prison to include either the either the security guards inside that as well as joyce mitchell and perhaps others. again, they may have felt it was a two-man job, getting their way out from their cell, punching through the walls, cutting through steel. so all of this caused the two of them to come together. now realize, i think one or the other, two have killed each other in a new york minute if they thought there was a reason to do it. and when one or the other started to fall behind in this particular hunt, i would say they would have abandoned each other and went their own watch so in this case, when you get psychopaths like this, they are best of friends until they don t need each other and then they could care what happened to the other. i want to bring in joseph
what happened prior to the escape, who was involved shall who was complicit, how did they survive for over three weeks out in this wilderness, 6 million acres of wilderness here in the north woods, in the adirondacks. so, this hospital is very secure. they want him to survive. they wanted him to be caught alive. and they were successful. we believe no other officers were injured in the a prehelps and they have got him alive and they are going to want to interrogate him, find out, again, how did they do it? who was involved? were there other jail officers involved other that joyce mitchell and jeep palmer? we know those two. but were there others? it seems like a lot of people knew about the alleged sexual relationship that the two or maybe at least one of them had with joyce mitchell. what else did they know about what was going on? and there s going to be a very
what facilities, what who helped them? who was part of this plot? who may have known about it? because they were just as guilty as anybody, like joyce mitchell and gene palmer, who were actively involved, giving them tools to escape, giving them paint, allowing them access to the electrical box, all sorts of things that made it easier for them to plot their escape. just seems so shocking to us. i want to bring in jeffrey ross now. school he is from the school of criminal justice the university of baltimore and jeffrey, please correct me if i have the wrong school. but can you take us a little bit inside what was going on in prison for these guys that they could even ened gender the goodwill or even the help of corrections officers? most prison verse 24/7 to think about ways to escape and it does appear that they were able to somehow get some benefits from joyce mitchell and from gene palmer. how useful those were is hard to
and they need some training. nobody ever wants to throw extra training at them and they need a little more training on how these prisoners worked against them psychologically. i can tell you i worked with many of them in my career and they are excellent, excellent people who really do a great job and have some great information in the criminal underworld. you can get great information from corrections officers who glean that from inside the walls about what s going on in crime in the streets but we got to help them to be able to resist, you know, the manipulations of these psychopaths and sociopaths who are have practiced doing that their whole life and we saw matt and sweat double-team joyce mitchell, the contract tailor in there. and of course, the other officer, who i don t believe, from everything i ve heard, knew there was an escape afoot. but nevertheless, he was bending the rules. of course he was. right, what was he doing giving them anything? right. i mean, he was bendin
nostra, ms-13 gang, didn t have confederates to help them escape. if there was people to help them get out, they comment find a ride. they only had joyce mitchell. tells a lot about what happened here h. okay, we want to i m sorry, just going to show everybody a picture right now, david sweat is in the alice hyde medical center in malone. you are looking at a picture of it. that is where he is right now, we can only imagine what is going on within those walls as officers are probably talking to him. we don t know what his condition is at this moment i also want to go to clint van zandt, clint, if you are still with us, what can you tell us, because you are a profiler, about their friendship or their personality traits that would bond these two men together like this. well, we have got the symbiotic relationship. their two cells were side by side. they probably realized this was a two-man job. we know this has been planned at least for a year.