what facilities, what -- who helped them? who was part of this plot? who may have known about it? because they were just as guilty as anybody, like joyce mitchell and gene palmer, who were actively involved, giving them tools to escape, giving them paint, allowing them access to the electrical box, all sorts of things that made it easier for them to plot their escape. >> just seems so shocking to us. i want to bring in jeffrey ross now. school -- he is from the school of criminal justice the university of baltimore and jeffrey, please correct me if i have the wrong school. but can you take us a little bit inside what was going on in prison for these guys that they could even ened gender the goodwill or even the help of corrections officers? >> most prison verse 24/7 to think about ways to escape and it does appear that they were able to somehow get some benefits from joyce mitchell and from gene palmer. how useful those were is hard to