everybody needs to read the axios story. i mean, it is stunning what is asserting, and that is that donald trump really believes in the deep stain, and wants to flush all of these bureaucrat, civil servants got our u.s. government, and have them reduced to only 50,000 employees. it is naughty, and if it is a serious reporting, it tells you that trump and his associates are really trying to do a coup and you have to read it to believe it. it s just one of the best pieces of reporting i ve seen, and really a couple of years. i agree, and i think nothing is a pretty kind word to describe. douglas brinkley, as always, thank you so much for being with us. coming up, it is the gift that keeps on giving, when the 11th hour continues. ps on giving, when the of dollas
person, in admitting that joe biden won the election. but neither of them seemed to mean the future of the republican party, but you know, they certainly are the two that are gonna matter here for the midterms. and they are the two big surrogates of the party at this point. and they certainly see themselves as the future of the republican party. i am sure you saw this stunning reporting from axios, that trump has some plans, should he managed to get back into the white house. quote, trump allies are working on plans that would potentially strip layers at the justice department, including the fbi, and reaching international security, intelligence, state department and the pentagon. sources close to the former president saying that. your reaction to that? and is there any historical precedent for any of this? everybody needs to read the axios story. i mean, it is stunning what it s asserting. and that is that donald trump really believes in the deep state and wants to flush all
level? how do you try to make the biggest amount of noise you can possibly make? that might involve a couple, some i don t know, some number of hearings with key witnesses who have been kept in the dark what you can really then make a point with. but it s going to also involve a much more complicated media strategy because honestly no diplomat to some of these impeachment hearings, the country is not watching cable all day long at 2:00 in the afternoon, and 3:00 in the afternoon. they are not? at 4:00 they are all watching you. which is why i would suggest primetime starts at 4:00. but i think there has got to be a very thoughtful effort to tell this story in multiple forums with sophisticated strategies to try to elevate it in a way that accords with its importance. this is, we said on the show many times, it is the ball game. the whole thing. whole thing. that means you have to be very
59:about pressuring partnerships. what do you know about these men who were in the room with the former president on the 4th. the events of january 6th aren t in any meaningful way in dispute. it s what happened between election day and january 6th that will be the story this committee is trying to tell. if they piece together these individual meetings, whether at the war room at willard hotel, whether they be meetings a the white house, in this case in the dining room off the oval office with perhaps just a few people present. those are going to be the things that link the former president to these events most directly that would demonstrate potentially foreknowledge. max miller is already out talking about this and saying one of the first things he would do if he gets elected to this body is vote to shut down this committee. i bet. it goes to what we were
eugene s argument. i don t know if it is bristly. but i think eugene is right. i think frankly most of the committee members would agree with eugene. but i think what the frustrated public and media needs to remember is, you have got to put the facts together before you present the facts. they are interviewed nearly 00 people. you are not going to want to have hearings with 300 people. that s going to be boring. it s going to be useless. and it is not going to tell the story. it is not dissimilar to what we did with the ukraine impeachment. we had closed door depositions, there were calls for it to be done in public. then we did have public hearings. uh-huh. that enabled us to tell a story through the witnesses. of course, we weren t making anything up, but we were able to idea the relevant and valuable portions of their ten hours of testimony and pull it out in a shorter hearing. we are going the want that.