possible, cnn is reporting today that the former president has expressed a heavy dose of skepticism that he will be indicted. one of the forces sources familiar with the matter said. trump may not want to believe his attorneys but they certainly are not alone in their opinion. that s an indictment could be coming. here is what former attorney general joe madison. i think that what is going to happen here is that more evidence is going to be elicited. you will see people start to cut deals. my guess is that by the end of this [inaudible] you will see the indictments and high level people of the white house [inaudible] indictments against people outside the white house who are advising them, with regard to the attempts to steal the election. and i think ultimately you are probably going to see former president of the united states indicted as well. joining us now, jill wine-banks, who served as assistant watergate prosecutor. she s an msnbc legal analyst.
familiar with the matter said. trump may not want to believe his attorneys but they certainly are not alone in their opinion. that s an indictment could be coming. here is what former attorney general joe madison. i think that what is going to happen here is that more evidence is going to be elicited. you will see people start to cut deals. my guess is that by the end of this [inaudible] you will see the indictments and high level people of the white house [inaudible] indictments against people outside the white house who are advising them, with regard to the attempts to steal the election. and i think ultimately you are probably going to see former president of the united states indicted as well. joining us now, jill wine-banks, who served as assistant watergate prosecutor. she s an msnbc legal analyst. we re also joined by tim
of something extraordinary. as no other president has been charged with a crime in all of american history. joining me now is nbc news presidential historian michael beschloss among with jill winebanks, former assistant watergate prosecutor and msnbc analyst. thank you both for being here, and i m going to start with you, jill winebanks, just on the knowing what you know about presidents and prosecution and the fact that, you know, nixon game real close to getting prosecuted. probably would have been prosecuted had he not been pardoned by gerald ford. should have been. right, he could have been. should have been. i agree with you on that. when you look at what the justice department seems to be looking at and also listening to merrick garland be as animated as merrick garland can be, i guess that was his version of super animated, how likely do you think it is that they will indict trump himself for crimes
took it easy, if i announced that i was not going to run any longer for political office, the prosecution of donald trump would immediately stop. you know that, right? it would immediately stop. they would go on to the next victim. it is not clear at all, tonight, that donald trump will be able to wriggle out of this one. we will see, though. leading off our discussion tonight is paul butler, a professor of law at georgetown university, and former federal prosecutor. jill wine-banks, who served as assistant watergate prosecutor. they are both msnbc legal analysts. and also with us, stuart stevens, a veteran of five republican presidential campaigns, and author of it was all a lie: how the republican party became donald trump. it s great to have all three of you with us. paul, i would like to start with you. let s start with this doj news tonight with developments that we are learning about this investigation, what do you make of it? what does it tell us about the department of justic
for political office, the prosecution of donald trump would immediately stop. you know that, right? it would immediately stop. they would go on to the next victim. it is not clear at all, tonight, that donald trump will be able to wriggle out of this one. we will see, though. leading off our discussion tonight is paul butler, a professor of law at georgetown university, and former federal prosecutor. jill wine-banks, who served as assistant watergate prosecutor. they are both msnbc legal analysts. and also with us, stuart stevens, a veteran of five republican presidential campaigns, and author of it was all a lie: how the republican party became donald trump. it s great to have all three of you with us. paul, i would like to start with you. let s start with this doj news tonight with developments that we are learning about this investigation, what do you make of it? what does it tell us about the department of justice s investigation, its scope, what direction it is focusing on? ay