president, but that s what we ve been talking about. here you have a situation where if the facts are true and they re unfolding in a rapid rate over the last couple of days and will continue to do so, at bottom you have sitting can president once again acting like a recidivist, seeking assistant from a foreign power to arm a political rival, the person who might be his opponent in the general election next year. that s crazy given what he s already put the country through. and is it illegal? i knew you were going to ask that and i ve been thinking over the last couple of days about how to talk about this and it s natural for someone who is a form are prosecutor, my expertise is in proving cases beyond a reasonable doubt and what elements you need to make a crime. i want don t want to create an atmosphere where the only thing that matters is if you commit a crime. as we understand and everyone understands now, you can indict
on september 1st, the v.p. met with the ukrainian leader. eight days later house committees started investigating. and by september 12th, right after adam schiff started to ask questions about the complainant, the aid was lifted. that s where we are now. we re back with preet bharara and andrew mccabe. my suggestion is if the president believes that there is real corruption, he is clear to ask the ukrainian president about it and arguably clear to say i m not giving you money if you re corrupt. you have to look at all the circumstances. we live in an actual world where people apply common sense and there are consequences to what you do and there are motivations, strategic and otherwise, for taking certain actions. there are a lot of countries that have a lot of corruption, and i i don t want to know what donald trump is saying to those leaders of those countries. what s unique about ukraine is there was a unique benefit to
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up. you know, doesn t necessarily point to that there s anything necessarily wrong with that or that it connected to the campaign. preet acknowledged that himself earlier tonight. i think we have to wait and see what the facts are. i m all for you with that. i hope they release the complaint. as a point of transparency, the president says there s nothing to see here, don t worry about it but he won t show us the proof of the same, whether it s the taxes or here the complaint. asha. yes. and to jim s argument and i have to say he s an excellent debater and i think he has the harder side of this debate. so he s doing the best he can but this is exactly what the whistleblower protection act in the intelligence community is designed for that, if there is classified information, there is a mechanism by which it can reach congress if it does potentially concern misconduct. no one is saying that this has to be made public or that it has to be leaked to the media tomorrow for us to debate
is one guy louder than the other is not a good way to make an argument. that s a good point, chris. but in this instance, i think we have a lot of thunder here but not a lot of substance. what would be abuse of power? excuse me? what would be abuse of power? well, like i said, we don t know all the facts. what would be abuse of power? you re speculating as to what could have been abuse of power. i mean the fact the president of the united states is engaging in diplomatic discussions with ukraine and corruption comes up and perhaps the corruption of a former vice president and his son come up, you know, doesn t necessarily point that there s anything necessarily wrong with that or that it s connected to the campaign. preet acknowledged that himself earlier tonight. i m all for that. i hope they release the complaint because as a point of transparency the president says there s nothing to see here, don t worry about it, but he won t show us proof of the same whether it s