>> is one guy louder than the other is not a good way to make an argument. that's a good point, chris. but in this instance, i think we have a lot of thunder here but not a lot of substance. >> what would be abuse of power? >> excuse me? >> what would be abuse of power? >> well, like i said, we don't know all the facts. >> what would be abuse of power? >> you're speculating as to what could have been abuse of power. i mean the fact the president of the united states is engaging in diplomatic discussions with ukraine and corruption comes up and perhaps the corruption of a former vice president and his son come up, you know, doesn't necessarily point that there's anything necessarily wrong with that or that it's connected to the campaign. preet acknowledged that himself earlier tonight. >> i'm all for that. i hope they release the complaint because as a point of transparency the president says there's nothing to see here, don't worry about it, but he won't show us proof of the same whether it's taxes or hear of